Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

By Ilyce Glink | Jul 7, 2009 |

Last week’s unemployment report sent shivers down the spines of traders. And why not? On every level, the jobs report was dreadful.

National unemployment rose to 9.5 percent, but in reality, it’s much higher. Real unemployment is perhaps even as high as 16 or 17 percent. The numbers include:

  • There are those who are under-employed;
  • Those who work part-time but would prefer a full-time job;
  • Those who are so discouraged they’ve given up looking;
  • Those who have gone back to school rather than face a whithering job hunt; 
  • And, others like small business owners or self-employed people who have gone bankrupt, lost their clients and/or revenue base, and are searching for something to do.

It’s this last category (which isn’t even part of the unemployment numbers) that concerns me most. Yesterday, I sat in for Clark Howard and did three hours of talk radio on WSB. I took a call from a real estate agent who says she listens to my Sunday morning radio show frequently. She wanted to let me know that while she didn’t do any business last year or even during the first part of this year, she’s starting to get calls from buyers.

Let’s rerun that: She hasn’t really done any business in 18 months. Join the club:

  • My mother, Susanne, a top real estate agent in Chicago, hasn’t really done any business in 18 months. She’s working a lot, but not selling that much.
  • Her partner, Barbara, hasn’t done much business in 18 months.
  • Rick, a land broker who made a great living over the yeras selling big parcels of land to developers in the states around Lake Michigan, told me last week that his business started changing in 2007, that he doesn’t have any business now, and doesn’t see any business anywhere in the country.
  • Mark, a landscape architect who with his partners helps developers plan out the use for the big parcels of land they buy with the help of folks like Rick, hasn’t really done much in at least 12 months - and doesn’t see anything new coming down the pike for 2010.

I know it’s a small sample, but I’d consider a real estate agent who hasn’t done much, if any, business in 18 months to be functionally unemployed. She isn’t bringing in revenue or contributing much, if anything, to the tax base. I know she doesn’t count in the “official” unemployment numbers, but she isn’t making the money she made two, five or even 10 years ago.

Here’s the question I’d like answered: How many other real estate agents, landscape architects, appraisers, professional home inspectors, contractors, sub-contractors, owners of building supply companies and the myriad of other professionals in the real estate industry have any business? Sure, there are a few in my mother’s real estate office who are doing well. There always are.

But nationally, things don’t look so good in the real estate industry. The National Association of Realtors reports it has lost 200,000 members since the start of the recession. What are all of those former self-employed real estate agents doing to put food on the table?

The big exception, of course, is the mortgage industry. It has taken somewhat of a hit, but homeowners are still trying to refinance or do loan modifications and first-time home buyers are out looking for deals. And, with the coming commercial real estate tsunami, millions of square feet will be foreclosed on by banks, and sold for pennies on the dollar. Some commercial real estate brokers will be busy.

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t understand how we can turn the tide of real estate when 400,000 to 600,000 jobs are being lost each month. Jobs and real estate are tied together.

As always, I welcome your thoughts and comments.

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    ja1515

    07/07/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    i've always thought the way unemployment numbers are calculated was a bit odd. Just because you've given up looking for a job doesn't mean you're not unemployed. Interesting thoughts about those in real estate. Just because they're "working" or doing something every day, doesn't mean they're really doing what they'd like to be doing

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    jfree85

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    Many of my friends are *trying* to make ends meet right now by "freelancing" and "consulting". I don't think they would be included in the official unemployment numbers, but I doubt they consider themselves to be gainfully employed.

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    CE7000

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    How many other real estate agents, landscape architects, appraisers, professional home inspectors, contractors, sub-contractors, owners of building supply companies and the myriad of other professionals in the real estate industry have any business?

    it's definitely interesting to see how many other companies and facets of the industry are affected. We really are all connected, and it's times like this you can certainly notice.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    From RI Real Estate on ActiveRain:

    Here in Rhode Island, unemployment has topped 10.3%... and our capitol, Providence, is listed as the hardest city in the country to find a job...

    Our State relies on two businesses for 25% of its tax revenues... two slot machine parlors... both of which are now struggling.

    The vast majority of employment is in service industries, predominantly hospitality. What a great thing this is. We are also one of the least affordable housing markets (as measured by the ratio of income to housing prices). And when driving on a newly constructed bridge, you can see a tent city with literally hundreds of homeless folks living beneath an old bridge.

    Realtors? We lost half of our membership over the last two years.

    So, things are looking up... wink (not!)

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    @RI Real Estate:

    I think the untold story is that there are hundreds of thousands of real estate agents across the country who are no longer supporting an array of businesses in their communities.

    Agents who need to reach buyers no longer are. Typical advertising doesn't work in this kind of environment. Maybe sponsored content projects will generate interest, maybe not.

    It's not surprising that RI is one of the leading states for mortgage fraud - and foreclosures, an astonishing feat given its size. And, the hardest in which to find a job. It looks like you're running up a mountain and an avalanche is starting.

    Without a job, you're not going to pay the mortgage. And, that doesn't bode well for the number of foreclosures - or the economy.

    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we get to the bottom sooner rather than later. I don't think we're there yet.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    @JA1515:

    You're right. The way unemployment numbers are calculated, and publicized, is a little fishy. The U-6 is the real look at where we are, I think, and it doesn't look very good right now. At a nearly 17 percent unemployment or under-employment rate, we're looking at some serious damage. And in certain cities/states (i.e. Michigan and Rhode Island), you're looking at true unemployment rates of 20+ percent.

    That's gotta hurt for the long run.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    JFree85:

    If you haven't looked for a job in the last 4 weeks, you're not even counted. So, I'm sure your "freelancing" friends don't even count.

    That just ups the U-6 numbers as far as I'm concerned.

    Thanks for your comments.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    CE7000:

    You're right - we are all connected. Every time there is a foreclosure in your neighborhood, your own home value takes a hit. It's the boom in reverse, and it's hard to imagine just how fast the deterioration has come on us.

    If this doesn't make the country pull together, I'm not sure what will get the wheels turning.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    aliroger@...

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    Excellent point, Ilyce! Here in Manhattan, which was the last real estate market to suffer, my small neighborhood firm has watched two of our competitors go out of business. We have been saved from a similar fate by our brokers' incredible containment of costs, but it's tough to live on half the business we used to have.

    Which leads me to another point: if you ARE actually a real estate buyer or seller in 2009, considering hiring an agent who is your friend. Not if they're incompetent or anything, but if you have a choice of giving your precious business to someone whose ad you saw on a shopping cart or someone you know from college, hire within your network!

    Ali Rogers
    read on "Ask the Agent" on CBS Moneywatch: bit.ly/12afCB

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Jobs and Real Estate Still Tied Together

    Ali:

    It's certainly tough to watch your competitors go out of business, but when the market comes back, your firm should be well-positioned to gain market share.

    Or, at least that's what the Harvard MBAs tell us.

    The reality may be a little more complex, as agents from these other firms join your shop or others, taking their business with them. One way or another, your broker should profit, and I hope you will as well.

    The green shoots seem to be withering on the vine. Anyone else see a jobs/real estate connection?

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