Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

By Ilyce Glink | Sep 4, 2009 |

Are you in loan modification hell?

  • Has your application for a loan modification been stonewalled?
  • Do you find yourself waiting by the phone week after week, hoping to hear something from your lender?
  • Are you continually asked to provide the same information over and over?
  • Has your loan modification application been rejected because you failed to provide information you were never asked for?

Bobbi Giguere was in loan modication hell, courtesy of her lender, Wells Fargo. In a story that’s becoming so commonplace it’s scary, she filed for banruptcy to deal with her financial trauma (job loss and impending divorce). Even after months and months of waiting, and after submitting her paperwork three times, she never heard from Wells Fargo about her loan modification application.

The bankruptcy judge, Randolph J. Haine, was fed up and ordered a Wells Fargo senior executive to appear in court so Ms. Giguere could question someone face-to-face about her loan modification. Turns out, she was rejected because Wells Fargo said she failed to submit a financial worksheet - a document that Wells Fargo never requested, Joseph Ohayon, senior vice president of Wells Fargo Home Mortgage Servicing, admitted under oath.

In the New York Times story, Judge Haine says that he and his fellow bankruptcy judges are seeing more people file for bankruptcy to avoid foreclosure. But that isn’t helping those who want to get their loans modified.

Martha (who asked that I not use her last name because she is continuing to try to negotiate a loan modification with her big box lender), has also been in loan modification hell for the past few months. She contacted me about a month ago, wondering if the “trial period” loan modification she had been offered was real. I told her that lenders only offer trial modifications - and after you’ve paid on time for three months, that trial modification is supposed to be made permanent.

(I’ve been hearing from a reader who has been in a trial modification for five months and was been told to keep on making more trial loan modification payments because the big box lender is too busy to do make the trial loan mod permanent.)

I told Martha to stay in touch with her lender, calling back daily if necessary to prod them into action.

After hearing nothing for a month, she started calling her lender only to find out that her loan modification application had been canceled because of incorrect information (not supplied by Martha). They claimed she was no longer living in her property, which Martha says isn’t true.

At this point, I feel like the mortgage company is using this delaying tactic as a means of getting as much money out of us as possible prior to lower our payment. A very unethical practice, in my opinion, though I doubt that it’s illegal,” Martha writes. “In the meantime, our financial situation becomes more stressful every day. We’re using credit cards for things we never used to use them for, such as gas and groceries, and they’re maxed out at this point. I’m sure other people are having the same experience. I guess I just would like to know if there’s something else I can do or someone to complain to.”

I have been in touch with senior-level officials at the Treasury Department who acknowledge that the loan modification program isn’t going exactly as planned. They suggest if you’re having problems getting your lender to finalize your loan modification, you should contact the Treasury Department directly to complain if your lender is a national lender. You should contact your state banking and finance regulator for a state-chartered institution.

If you want your case to get elevated, you’ll need to provide them with the following:

  • Copy of your loan application paperwork and all documentation you’ve submitted to your lender. It’s best if you scan a copy of what you’re sending before you send it so that you have an exact duplicate.
  • Keep a paper trail of everyone you have spoken to at the lender. Get the employee’s name, employment identification number, and note the date and time of the call. Be sure to summarize what was discussed, including any steps you were asked to take (such as supplying additional information).

Be sure to stay in touch with your lender about your loan modification. Call daily or every other day. You need the lender to realize that you’re not going to give up and that you expect action.

And hopefully, if you’re in loan modification hell, you’ll find a way out.

If you’re in loan modification hell, please share your story. I know from my email that there are some very high-powered people in the real estate industry who will see it here.

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    lizmedrano

    09/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    We were approved for the Making Home affordable Trial program with Wells Fargo. We completed the trial as agreed, and submitted all of the required documents as requested. They have lost some of our documents and said that they never received them, when in fact they did (another rep confirmed that they got them twice). The bank is not following the guidlines for the program. We think that they are dragging their feet. The orignal agreement was for three trial payments-now they have required additional trial payments from us. We made our 4th payment 9/1. When we call for status, they have no answers for us - other than that it is processing and may take another 45-60 days. This is too frustrating, I feel like they are stringing us along.

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    eaglett1111

    09/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Yes I'm in loan modification hell and have been since 1/4/09. I make $50,000 a year as the director of a nonprofit. My mortgage payments are $2300/month. The only way I made it was with my son's help. His salary tanked this year. I applied to JPMorgan Chase for a mod, so I could get to at least the 31% of gross mark. I've talked with dozens of people, faxed and snail mailed and scanned hundreds of pages of documents (many over and over and over again). I've spent literally hundreds of hours on the phone. There is forever someone else to talk with, someone with one story and another person with the opposite. I've been all over the country on these phone calls (not me - just the people I've talked with). They made me set up an escrow account on my loan, but were so late in paying the property tax that I paid myself. I got a call from my insurance agent saying my homeowners insurance hadn't been paid. By that time I'd made a contact with the Chase Executive team and it took three calls and a conference call to convince them that yes, if they looked at their records, there was an escrow acct and oh yes they would finally pay it. This person on theExec team was actually a nice lady but quite a joke. Just a funnel for information. She told me she was "praying for me." I wrote a letter to my congressman (whose office called me back and who sent it on to Tim Geithner). I wrote a letter to my senators. One, Senator Boxer, sent it on with a cover letter to the OCC (she sent me back a copy). The other senator sent me a form letter advising me I should "talk with my lender." Gad, you can imagine how I responded to that one. I wrote an e-mail to Jamie Dimon, the CEO of Chase, and in it I told him that I was also working with a non-profit (NACA) to try to get some help. Well, next time I called my Executive Team contact she told me her manager told her she couldn't talk to me any more because I was working with Naca. What? I never signed away my rights to speak with my lender!!!! So I struggled and finally gave up. I'm now one month in default. I'm $75,000 underwater, so can't sell. If they foreclose, they would never get the money back that they would get from me if they would just modify this. It is absolutely the most stressful thing I have ever been a part of in my 60 years of life on this planet. Please take a look at loansafe.org and you will see there are thousands of us in this hell. I love my home, but if this kills me (and believe me it was close at times) it isn't worth it. Something just has to be done. I have no idea why it's so hard!!!!!

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    Riley18

    09/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    My family and I are indeed in Loan Modification Hell. We
    have been contacting Bank of America since November,
    2008. After many months of hoping for some contact with
    an analyst, I wrote to my state senator. The bank then told
    me I was in the "wrong" department all that time (silly me)
    and that is why I was not helped already. Well, that was
    back in March, and so far we are still waiting for the
    application to modify the loan.
    At this point, it is very obvious that the banks are more
    intent on keeping the taxpayer money for their own gain
    rather than using the money as it was intended. Why was
    the government money not put into an escrow account to be
    used only for modifications of predatory lending scams?
    We already knew the banks were greedy and would stop at
    nothing in their ponzi schemes. Our government allowed
    these immoral practices to go on for years, and then gave
    our taxpayer money to them without strings attached as
    some sort of sick reward. It is really disgraceful.

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    eaglett1111

    09/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Hi. this is eaglett again. Just had to give an update. Got an official denial letter from Chase yesterday. Their reason:

    "Your hardship is not a permanent situation."

    Unbelievable. How the ### do they know? If I thought it wasn't permanent, I certainly wouldn't have applied for a mod. I wrote previoiusly that my hardship is because my son, whose salary tanked and expenses (including new student loan payments) went up, could no longer pay 1/2 the mortgage as he had been.

    The only thing permanent is death. The banks could use the reason they gave me for anything - perhaps people who lose their jobs will get a new one, or perhaps someone's critically ill child will miraculously recover, or perhaps the market will increase our home values such that we can sell them and get out from under these seedy lenders.

    But then again - maybe they know I'll win the Lotto? I can finally afford a ticket since I'm now in default on my loan after struggling for 9 months to make the payments on my own.

    this is a nightmare folks and the banks are, as Riley said, a disgrace.

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    CW-Cancels-AG -Mods

    09/05/09 | Report as spam

    Second verse of Loan Modification Hell: CW AG mod 'Contracts' NOT HONORED

    For the CountryWide California Attorney General modification contract holders out there, YOU MAY BE IN FOR A RUDE SURPRISE.

    CW/BofA have apparently found a way to CANCEL all of the 'AG' mods. Now this is NOT during the APPLICATION process. You receive a phone call telling you that you are getting a modification contract. It arrives with instructions to have it NOTARIZED and return it by a certain date along with paystubs and/or 3 months of bank statements.

    You comply. You follow the package tracking to verify delivery on time (Oh, you didn't,oops they claim it didn't get there on time so it was cancelled). But yours got there, now you later find that they did start processing and then you find out the date they say they finished verification of your package. They are telling you that the 'mod' is YOURS.

    Then you just can't get a copy of the final signed-by-the-bank copy. No word other than them assuring you, so you start making the payments per the contract. You keep trying for the final copy of that document, no luck. The mod is yours, don't worry they continue to say and get you to pay. Then finally the 'difference' in what you paid and the original payments adds up to more than $10K.

    Then they tell you. They had canceled the mod contract way back before you even made that first payment. You may get any number of different stories. I'll give you a link to loansafe to check out a pretty good discription of all the possible 'STORIES' you may hear for WHY the CONTRACT was cancelled.

    The problem is, the application was taken VERBALLY. NO copy was EVER provided for you to verify content of what was transcribed. They claim that they can cancel the contract if they are unable to confirm your income. It is more a case of they cancel because they do not even TRY to confirm your income. You are NEVER ASKED for nor ALLOWED to provide additional evidence of income. If they claim to have found a discrepancy with the information in the verbal application versus their method of validating it, or a comparison with the bank statement, they need to allow the borrower an opportunity to provide either an explanation or futher proof. Since this is occurring AFTER the contract is SIGNED by the borrower, the servicer, CW, should be required to make serious efforts to resolve the problem in the borrower's favor before arbitrarily and capricously cancelling the modification contract.

    This effort should REQUIRE IMMEDIATE action by CW/BofA to alert the borrower of any problem.

    Instead, the practice is obviously one of INTENTIONALLY HIDING the devious strategy being employed.

    CW/BofA employees have stated that these contracts remain cancelled, even if reported to management because they were all "CONTINGENT" contracts. The only contingency was on the LETTER, not anything in the actual CONTRACT. Now why do they 'uncancel' the ones where a lawsuit lands on their doorstep?

    You have better chances of winning the lottery than of getting a CW CA AG mod contract actually honored (unless you have the money for that attorney to file a suit).

    In some cases, people have paid for 6 months on these contracts, only to find that they owe $13K or so AND have had their credit sabotaged by the reporting done of 'partial' payments.

    They also have played the game of transfering notes just as the modification contract was to have the first payment made. The new servicer is 'in' on the game, don't worry.

     

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    eleanor12

    09/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    It seems like these banks need a major course in integrity and honesty - basic American values. I also am in home modifcation hell with Wells Fargo. Their latest scam came in the form of a letter stating, "We value you as a customer and have several options that may help you keep your home." They provided a phone number for me to call so that I could "provide more financial information." Keep in mind, I have already provided tons of finanacial information, but I called, hoping that maybe there could be a solution. The representative with whom I spoke was rude and disrespectiful! She told me my only option was a short sale. When I questioned her about the letter, she replied nastily, "You're not hearing me!" I ended the conversation politely; however, in retrospect, I probably should have asked to speak to her supervisor. It is beyond me how banks benefit from short sales and foreclosures. It makes more sense to establish affordable payments for people. These banks are driving down the value of property, blighting neighborhoods, and destroying people's lives with their unscrupulous tactics!

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    Chase Victim

    09/07/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Below is an outline of what has occured to me in the last year and a half w/ Chase/Wamu. This is an email I sent Mr. Dimon, CEO of Chase.

    I am writing to you as a last resort, regarding the lengthy and very frustrating journey I have had with WAMU. Below I will give you a brief synopsis of what I have gone through in the last year or so in trying to get a modification.

    April of 2008, I lost my job. I become delinquent on my mortgage payment.

    May 2008, submitted info for modification.

    September 2008, I call to check on status. Negotiatior had paperwork and had not done a thing with modification since May 2008. I do not remember her name, but she was cavalier and rude.

    October 2008, another negotiator is assigned to case - *****.

    After many calls, I finally speak to Mr. **** in December of 2008, to check on my status. He informs me that he is working on a modifcation and should have something for me very soon.

    I do not hear from Mr. ****** until March of 2009, when I receive the paperwork for the MHA program. Three monthly payments of $2,254 are required. I immediately make my payment.

    Mr. ***** sends another MHA Program with payments of $1,594, which I pay immediately. I completed my thrid trial payment 6/2009. I never made a late payment during the trial payment.

    August of 2009, I receive a final modification of $4,183 monthly with a fixed rate of .775%, which I can not afford. Speak to Mr. **** supervisor, *******, who informs me that the income information was put in the data base incorrectly. Ms. ***** has someone re-input the info and gets a final payment of $1,602 for the final modification. I am thrilled! but not for long. I get a call two days ago from Ms. ****** stating that they can not offer me this final mod because of the interest rate of my current mortgage which is adjusting in October. This does not make any sense to me at all ! It is my impression that the idea of the MHA program was to get people out of those option arm programs and put them in to an affordbale rate with affordable terms. The qualifications for the Obama MHA Program, does not state anything about interest rate on your current defaulted mortgage, as being a reason for disqualification from the MHA Program.

    I have to admit, that Ms. ***** is trying very hard to help me; she has been the only person that seems to care about the consumer at the WAMU division.

    I was never late on my payments, when I was actively employed through 4/2008. I had owned my home four years, since 8/2004. I have continually tried, throughout the last year to have a final modification approved, that is affordable. It has been an up-hill battle with WAMU. I want to stay in my home for many years to come,

    I ask that you please help me get approved for the MHA program. I am actively employed and can certainly afford a mortgage payment of $1500 to $1700.

    Your attention to this urgent matter is greatly appreciated.

    Fast forward to last Friday.
    The reason for my denial is based on my current mortgage adjusting in October and they claim my income is too low. I make approx $5000 a month. Needless to say I have called every agency possible including my senator and have begun working with Hope Now. So now you know that another criteria for denial, is your current interest rate on your loan ...How ridiculous is that? Where is this stated in the Making Home Affordable Guidelines???

    They want to put me on another trial period with payments of $1800 this time. I told them to forget it. I want the denial in writing and I will have attorney involved. My loan is owned by B of A, by a pool of investors

    Someone out there that is reading this article and the comments and is a higher upper, please help us keep our homes.

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    ja1515

    09/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Like so many other problems right now, this all seems tied to jobs. It's hard hearing all these stories, but maybe someone will realize that so many people are running into the same problems and roadblocks, and get something done.

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    Ilyce Glink

    09/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    From Marilyn:

    Question: According to the new Hope Making Home Affordable hotline, my husband and I qualify for a mortgage modification. I am employed and my husband is self employed with a business that is not yet making money, so we've had a very reduced income level for the past year or two. Our credit rating is very high (800s). We went thru all the counseling and budgeting and the file was sent to our lender, Countrywide (now Bank of America). When I called the number Hope gave me, BOA refused to give me a modification based on the fact that we are $250 short each month in our budget. THAT IS PRECISELY WHY WE ARE APPLYING. They've made it so difficult that I feel I should just give up.
    We are current with our mortgage but we are using every bit of our savings to try to keep our heads above water. MY QUESTION IS TWOFOLD: (1) Do you have to be totally out of cash before you can be eligible for the modification? (2) Should I continue to fight BOA for the modification, or is it hopeless?
    Any info you can send my way would be so very appreciated.

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    3913jane

    09/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    I too am in modification hell with Chase/WaMu. I sent in my original paperwork Dec. 08. after making monthly payments and calling every week or so to try to find out about my modification status, I was assured that it would be going to a negotiator soon but it was also stressed that I needed to keep making those payments. Finally, in May 09, after no response, I resubmitted the modification application again (this was after Chase took over WaMu.) When I called to tell them what I had done, they said that was good because my original mod. application had just been received (in May) and it was too old. When I asked them where it had been, they didn't really know. So now, I got verification that the mod. paperwork had been received in June. I call the end of July and was told that I had a negotiator and that it might take a month for the Modification to be offered and that it would at first be a "trial" mod. to see if I could make the payments. I told them in July that I could no longer make the 1600.00 payments as that was half my salary and that I needed the modification done asap. I have also faxed indicating my need to get this done. Now here it is the 8th of Sept. and I have heard nothing. I have not made this month's payment. Isn't there any legal recourse? I am out of cash and I am hopeless. Is there anyone who can help? I have steady income but they just don't want to work with me.

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    shannonfaith

    09/15/09 | Reported as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    There are people, attorney groups in fact, who are willing to assist home owners with obtaining Loan Modifications. For more detailed information and to see if our attorneys can help you please visit:

    http://www.usahomeloanmods.com/shannonfaith/

    or feel free to call 618-508-1562 to discuss your situation more personally.

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    Ilyce Glink

    09/16/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @Shannonfaith:

    Here's the problem I have with attorneys charging $3,500, $4,500 and $5,000 to do loan modifications - they can't do anything for you that you can't do for yourself.

    That's what I'm hearing from the lenders, from the OCC, from HUD-certified housing counselors, and from my radio talk show listeners who are going through loan modifications right now.

    All attorneys can do is to help you fill out the paperwork, and there are FREE workshops all over this country, week in and week out, where local housing authorities and HUD-certified housing counselors will help you do the same thing, for free.

    Please do not spend what little money you have on an attorney to help. You'll spend cash when you don't have to.


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    shannonfaith

    09/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    I agree with you. Homeowners do have the ability to do their own home loan mods for free. However, according to our research, when a homeowner does his or her own loan mod, the success rate of getting it done is 40-50% and it statistically takes 8-9 months. Sure, the loan mod is free for the homeowner if he/she does it for themselves, but you also have to remember that, even for those that get done, the rate of default from the loan mod is 60-80%... so 60-80% of the successful loan mods may go back into default. And one more thing to consider are the terms of the loan mod. Is the homeowner getting the best possible rate with their loan mod? What are they being charged by the lender to do the loan mod?

    We all know that we can represent ourselves in court, but what usually happens? The other side has an attorney or some trained professional and the person who shows up without an attorney on their side usually ends up not getting what they need or want out of it. The same holds true for loan modifications. This is why our company has attorneys that will help our clients do the loan modifications. With an attorney on your side, your odds of winning go up considerably. Our company goes after the lender from every possible angle to make certain that the homeowner gets their fair share.

    In addition to this, think of the associated costs to a homeowner if they are unsuccessful in getting a loan modification done and they end up in foreclosure. If you include the costs of moving trucks, a moving service, rent and a security deposit on a new place, a storage unit if you are unable to find a place big enough for all of your stuff, lost wages due to having to take time off of work to move, and the cost of forbearance on your credit - $3,000 to $5,000 is a rather conservative number to save one?s home.

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    Ilyce Glink

    09/17/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @shannonfaith -

    Attorneys cannot guarantee that your loan modification will be approved - or that it will go through faster than if you use a HUD-certified housing counselor to help you.

    That's the fact. I do think asking people if they want to spend $5,000 to save their home is a successful marketing pitch - one that many consumers are falling for.

    However, attorneys cannot claim honestly (without running afoul of bar assocation rules) that using them is the only way to do this successfully.

    As far as I've been able to find out, loan modifications where attorneys filled out the paperwork are failing at the same rate as loan modifications where the paperwork was filled out by HUD-certified housing counselors or by the homeowners themselves.

    There are no numbers at all that would lead me to believe that having an attorney fill out the paperwork leads to a guaranteed rate of success with lenders.

    The lenders say it isn't true that having attorneys involved either speeds up the loan modification process or increases the success rate.

    I guarantee you that if lenders found that having attorneys handle the paperwork guaranteed success they would hire the attorneys to do it.

    In fact, lenders run through a complicated net present value (NPV) formula to decide whether or not to do a loan modification - a fact that very few people know and that I plan to blog about shortly.

    The decision about whether to grant a loan modification or not boils down to whether a lender will earn a few thousand dollars more by foreclosing or granting a loan modification - that's what makes the difference.

    Not who fills out the paperwork.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    ama125

    09/21/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    I've been in loan modification hell since April '09. I, too, am a homeowner and member on loansafe.org. Ilyce, I see in your last post you mention the NPV test. I have read all about it as it pertains to the Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). I have requested three times now to be reviewed for that program... and not once has the NPV test been run on my loan. Bank of America will consider you for their in-house modifications first and foremost, before ever reviewing anyone for HAMP (if they even do it at all). Then, if one of their non-HAMP offers gets the investor's approval, they will dangle it before the borrower like a carrot on a stick (take this crappy modification or lose your home). It sounds a lot to me like predatory modifications. The homeowner may have no idea that what is being offered to them is not the HAMP at all, nor does he/she realize that there may be countless other modifications with better terms that he/she may be able to obtain. It is only through persistence and tenacity that one can emerge the victor. I have voiced my complaints over BofA's non-compliance for HAMP to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, my state Attorney General, and many others. I only hope that one of them will come through and expose BofA for their devious ways and force them to abide by the guidelines for this program that they agreed to participate in. And I am fully aware, that even if I were so lucky as to get into the trial period, the games don't end there. Oh no, then round 2 starts... getting them to offer the permanent modification that is to take effect when the trial period ends. I don't see my loan modification hell ending any time soon.

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    Ilyce Glink

    09/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @AMA125

    Thanks for sharing your story. I do feel as though the entire loan modification process is far too opaque. It may (or may not) be clear to the folks in Washington, D.C. who invented it what the truth is, but to folks on Main Street, who are suffering through endless conversations with their loan servicers, endless requests for more documentation, and fighting erroneous information that somehow lands in their file, the whole thing is as clear as mud.

    I understand that banks need to make a profit. I get that we need a strong financial system or nothing else will work in this country.

    However, in a capitalist society, when you make a bad investment, you have to eat the consequences. Seems to me that banks are still not ready to do that yet, and are looking for every available means to wring an extra $1,000 out of the system.

    There's more to come. Thanks for your comment.

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    trbtrb

    09/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    I applied for a loan modification about 2 months ago. I was approved for a loan modification back in 2/09. I had to apply for another one because my salary was cut by 30%.

    I just got off the phone with my mortgage lender: American Home Mortgage. They told me my application was denied because I can't modify a loan more than once a year. Is this true? Do I have a better chance going to another lender? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks and good luck to everyone!

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    jmb22

    10/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    I have been in loan modification hell since March 2009. I share many of the same experiences as those that have already posted.

    My lender is PHH Home Loans. We are paying 2800/month. I submitted a thorough application at the beginning of March after a reduction in my income. I even submitted three or four documents showing proof of the income loss, the unemployment status (the small business I had been working for was threatening to close on a daily basis and my paychecks started coming later and later). I soon found employment after a month, but had to take a salary cut. After following up several times, often staying on the line for an hour prior to even speaking with someone, in June I was told they were missing documents that they needed. The next day I faxed them in, called to confirm that they received them, and was assured I would hear something soon.

    I consistenly followed up over the next several months. When I spoke with the lender representatives, I was always patient, informative, and cooperative.

    Finally in August, after still receiving no word, I was persistent in speaking with a supervisor after being on hold, disconnected, and reconnected over and over again. I was on the phone from 7:30am until 10:30am before I finally reached a supervisor. I was told I had information missing. I referred him to the information I sent in in June, which he found. He said he promises I will here by the end of the week (it was Monday) and left me his name, phone number and direct extension. Friday came, no word. So I called him, and a voice recording stated he would be out of the office until Monday. A woman spoke with me instead (I could hear her reading a note in the computer) and told me it was in the underwriting now, that in 2 weeks or less I would be receiving a trial payment offer in the mail.

    Hope.

    Two weeks came and went, slowly, after checking everyday in the mail. Three weeks. Nothing. I called again, held on the line over an hour, just to be told it showed NO STATUS! Finally and reluctantly breaking into sobs, I asked to speak with another supervisor. (The other supervisor never called me back after repeated voice messages). The supervisor said it looked that it was in the final stages, apologized for being told it would be two weeks, and said he couldn't give me any indication of when we would hear anything.

    This past year we have been managing to hang on to a mortgage payment of 2800/month on a combined income of 3100. Through side jobs, savings depletion, family assistance, we have been hanging on....staying current. Now I am taking payday advances, which will ultimately catch up, just to stay current. My salary within the last two years has dropped from 20k, but there is room for growth in my income with my present employer. If we could just get some assistance within this time, we could still keep our home and the lender could still be profiting.

    We ARE elgible, meet all the qualifications, but I truly feel the lender is holding out. They see we are still current, paying late fees...and until we miss and they see that they are at risk...we have no chance.

    I have consulted with a HUD advisor who did confirm that we are elgible and qualify. He tried to contact them, but our lender, PHH Home Loans, won't let any outside negotiating calls in. And their advising really just reiterated what I already knew...home loan modification is the best option since we qualify...the other option is sell. The last option is to foreclose. I have also seeked out lawyers that specialize in expediating the process...$1400 is the cheapest I have come across. It is too late in the process to be able to come up with that amount of money with no guarantee.

    At this point, I am emotionally drained from the everyday of stress hanging on financially. I don't know who else to turn to or where else to go for assistance.

    I hope that this message, along with the others, will stimulate change within the process. And hopefully sooner than later before another loses their home.

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    Rebecca Boyle

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    Yes I am in loan modification HELL. I have been blogging about it just to keep my sanity. You all are welcomed to read my blog ---http://rebecca-boyle.blogspot.com. I appreciate any comments, suggestions or help anyone has to offer.

    My lender IndyMac as you might know was taken over by the Federal Gov. then sold to One West Bank.

    When I saw that I was going to be in trouble with paying my mortgage due to a reduction in salary, I immediately called my lender. They would not work with me. I was current on my payments and basically told me to "kiss off".

    I was using lines of credit and credit cards to stay afloat. That got me into huge debt.

    One 3 separate occasions, I overnighted all my hardship letters, financials, tax returns, monthly expense worksheet to Bank One West. Each time I followed up, representatives at Bank One West claimed to NEVER having received anything from me.

    Finally I started thinking I would need to go the route of hiring a loan modification company. I consulted with 2, both gave me the feeling of being scammed. Like some used car salesman trying to sell me a used Ford Pinto.

    I decided it would be safer to hire an attorney. Afterall the attorney is licensed and has malpractice insurance. Certainly an attorney is not going to scam you? Right? Ha!

    I interviewed one Law firm and almost signed with them, but before I did, I googled the firm and WOW hits upon hits of negative postings.

    I found another law firm and interviewed them. Their "Executive Consultant" assured me they "are attorneys and would do nothing to risk losing their license". This firm was saying all the right things!

    Long story (if you want to read the whole story please visit my blog) The attorney is gone, thousands are left with nothing and most assuredly will lose our homes.

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    cruiseair1

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    I have read all of your guest and I am in the same boat. After almost one year and submitting the documents twice I have just been rejected because I am not qualified to be in hardship. The documents I sent reads I owe more than what I earn. I think this is all a joke and Obama needs to find out what is happing. Or does he know and looking the other way. We need someone to investigate this loan modification joke.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    I received this email from Christine:

    Hi Ilyce,
    My name is Christine and me and my husband are definitely in modification hell. I have been trying with my bank (BofA) since April when I lost my job. I am receiving unemployment and my father is gonna stay with us and give us money to help save our home. They started the foreclosure process very fast with us. We have an auction date of November 19, 2009. I was told while I am trying to get a modification this date will be postponed and then this morning theres a letter taped to my front door stating that my property will be sold. I am so scared and don't know where to turn. I keep being told that I don't qualify for a modification because I have sufficient income. That is the most incorrect thing I have ever heard, so I ask what they have for my financials and 75% of what they recite back to me is something I never told them. I tell them that and they say, "Well we base it on a government model."

    So they are pretty much assuming all my financials and not taking the words that are coming directly from me. They are just forgetting that I even told them any financials and they don't even document it.

    They also keep telling me that since I have not physically made 12 mortgage payments in total on my house yet that I CANNOT get a loan modification. We got our house in June 2008 and NEVER could have guessed this would happen to us.

    I don't know what to do. I am very scared that they are gonna keep me hanging until my auction date and then me and my family will be out on the streets. Please if there is any advice or help you can give me I would be so much more than grateful. Thank you sooo much.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    My thanks to everyone who continues to submit stories on this page. I have reached out to Wells Fargo, Bank of America and some of the other large lenders with these stories, as well as the OCC.

    I will hopefully have some news for you soon. In the meantime, please continue to leave your stories here so that those in charge can read them.

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    auroranae

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    I knew that we were going to need help when my adjustable rate mortgage payment jumped nearly 800.00 with a months notice.
    My original lender went bankrupt and our loan was bought by EMC. Our original loan had us locking into a fixed rate after several years of adjusting, but when the loan changed hands we were informed of the payment increase and that EMC did not offer a lock in program.
    I called and spoke with a very nice person who told me that as we were not yet behind there was nothing she could do so I should not make payments for 3 months then a loan modification could be done.
    This was October of 2008.
    I called in January and was told that the information given me was incorrect and that the person I had been dealing with no longer worked there. But if I made 3 payments on time the modification could commence. So we went over our income and monthly expenses on the phone and a payment was calculated and scheduled for auto debit for 3 months starting in mid-January 2009. These payments were made on time as scheduled.
    In March we received a packet to fill out and FED EX back with the modification paper work which I completed and sent back immediately. I called a week later and a 3 month trial period of payments was scheduled for auto debit again.
    In May the same thing happened. The paperwork was requested and sent in, the trial payments for 3 more months were scheduled and we were told that after the 3rd payment the modification would be locked in.
    After making the August payment I called to find out what my modified payment would be and when it would be due. I was told the August payment was not made due to insufficient funds. The money was sitting in my bank so I went over the account auto debit details and it was found that the person who had scheduled the debit from my account on their end had mis-typed my account number so they had attempted to withdraw the funds from another person's account. I verified the account number and told them to process it that day. A week later I called and went over the info with someone in the collections department and found that the account number was still incorrect in their system so I asked them once again to correct it and take the funds immediately.
    The payment finally went through nearly 2 weeks late.
    I called to verify the August payment and to find out when my next payment would be due but was told not to send a payment in September, that the modification payment would be due on the 1st of October.
    A few days later I got a letter from EMC stating foreclosure proceedings were imminent if we did not reconcile the now astronomical past due amount on the account. I called the person who had been handling our account since March from the Modification department and as always I was told an inter-office email would be sent to him and he would call me back.
    2 weeks later I called again and was told the same thing.
    I finally spoke to him Sept 29 when I called and requested once again he return my call immediately. He actually called within hours to tell me the modification was not yet approved and that we were not actually part of the federal program because one time in July my husband had 600.00 of overtime that we did not show in our monthly expense report - the one that had now been sent in 4 times along with pay stubs and verification of insurance and hardship letters and income tax forms.
    I was also informed that the payment would now be 3200 and change each month instead of the 2898.50 we had been paying since March.
    Also, that as we were not a part of the federal program there were additional fines and fees for making partial payments- which they do not accept- and late fees and other incidental expenses like a shortage in escrow for taxes due to a large increase in our property taxes over the past 2 years.
    I was then told that I should go ahead and make the October payment of my regular payment amount.
    I had received a letter a few days before stating that my adjustable rate would be staying the same as it had the previous 6 months and the payment would remain at 3045.00. When the process was started way back in January our payment had been at 3600.00 a month after jumping from 2750.00 in October. Now I found out I had only been making a payment about 150.00 less than the regular payment should have been for several months and that the modification payment under review was actually several hundred dollars a month more than my regular payment.
    My account representative told me he would look into that and get back to me.
    I called on October 7th to find out why my payment for October- an online payment directly from my bank to them- had not been credited to my account. I had only dealt with one person for all discussions about my account but decided to ask whomever answered the call as many questions as I could get them to answer instead of waiting for a phone call that may never come. I went over everything from the beginning with Maria and she was very helpful on several points, but her basic theme was that she had no idea why I had no modification yet nor why the bank-draft from my bank had not been recorded.
    She said that after 3 months the modification should have been finalized and that she would ask my rep to call me.
    I waited a week and called again. This time I got a nice gentleman, Alex, who said the same thing Maria said with the exception that the name of my account rep had now changed and that a modification had been sent for in-house review by the new person with a proposed monthly payment of 3150.00 a month.
    Still no idea why the October payment from my bank had not been accepted or acknowledged in any way. He told me he would email the new account rep and ask her to call me right away.
    That was on the 14th of October.
    It is now October 18th and still no phone call.
    I am at a loss as to what to do.
    EMC is now reporting us as 6 months delinquent on our mortgage.
    They are not accepting the payment sent by my bank.
    No one has called me with any information, the only contact in months has been initiated by me and never with a satisfactory outcome.
    Our situation is not temporary due to an illness that is degenerative that has caused me to change my practice venue as a nurse several times and that now has me unable to work as a nurse making a huge dent in our income.

    What do we do now?
    Who do we call?
    Modification Busters?
    Sounds like the people we need for this job, but I am not sure who I trust and am ready to just give up.
    We have placed our house on the market, but in this economy do not have high expectations of selling it any time soon.
    For now we are eating a lot of mac and cheese and hamburger helper and have gotten rid of extras like cable and a home phone.
    And I think that the next person at EMC who tells me I need to learn to live within my means should be prepared for this mother of 6 who has worked her entire life - usually holding 2 jobs concurrently to make sure there was enough money - to lose her temper and let them know what I REALLY think about how they treat honest, hard-working people who are trying to do the best they can in a terrible situation.

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    Denise Y.

    10/19/09 | Report as spam

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    My husband and I started a loan modification with Chase in May of 2009, and we are still waiting, they sent us papers with a letter that said we our loan modification was in danger to send the proper paper work. So we sent in what they asked for. My husband called Oct. 19th and they said it was now up for reveiw. We have been paying forbearance payments per Chase's request. Now they are adding late fees on the forbearance payments, and this is all happening while we wait. We were told that the forbearance was to help us while we go through this modification program, but then said if you are denied you had better be able to pay it all back or else!! My husband is a disabled Veteran and I was disabled to a work related injury. We are still waiting and money keeps adding up. Is there anyone that can help us? Our health is going down due to stress. If anyone can help please respond with the information.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @Denise Y

    I wish I had news or answers for you and everyone else who has left comments on this blog in particular. I know that there are folks at the OCC who are reading this and they're not happy. It isn't good when even one person falls through the cracks.

    It's been one of the great lessons of this recession that Main Street matters - even if Wall Street thinks it doesn't.

    My heart goes out to you and I'm hoping for a good result.

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    NFerg

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    My husband and I too have been in home loan modification hell with WAMU. We originally applied for help for our single family residence in January of 09 when he was laid off. We called and were told that we would have to wait 60 days for receipt of our paperwork. Later, despite being told our application was received we were surprised with a request to resubmit our entire application in June of 09 since the department that previously handled our claim was closed. Of course we weren't notified of the closing and found out about the change while checking on the progress of our original application. We refiled and after multiple attempts to get some answers and being told that the paperwork was forwarded to the correct department (by the credit department), we were asked to repeatedly fax documents that Washington Mutual had already received by mail and fax. We have been calling daily and have been assured that our paperwork is now 'complete', the file is with an underwriter and that we should have an answer within another 60 days. Fortunately, and funnily enough, even in a dismal economy my husband was able obtain a new job faster than our loan mod file has able to be completed by WAMU. The issue still remains that during his period of unemployment we scraped by and missed payments and since he's making much less money we can barely afford our mortgage. We don't have an ARM and aren't one of those silly people that purchased a home they couldn't afford. We're a hardworking, highly educated young family that didn't anticipate a layoff and such a long bounceback period.
    Good news: Just a few days ago we received a call that we have been assigned a HUD counselor to help mediate the process. It sounds like a positive step but I'm not sure I have too much faith in this part of the process since many others are siting issues with this trial period. I'll keep everyone posted on our progress. N.Ferguson

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @n.ferguson:

    I think mediation (if properly implemented) could be a huge boon for the loan modification process. Imagine - you could be sitting across the table from a real, LIVE, person who has the power to make something happen.

    It could stupendous!

    Or, awful.

    Some of the latest loan modification numbers seem to show that only a fraction of loans that are even granted temporary modifications are being permanently modified - even though the borrower is making on-time payments. I'll blog about this tomorrow, along with some numbers.

    I have to say, folks, it's a scary story worthy of Halloween.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    Another hellish loan mod story, this time from Hawaii. (I have edited this comment for clarity.)

    I am in Maui, Hawaii, and yes it is bad here, really bad; the number of visitors is at 50%-almost all construction has
    stopped.

    My nightmare started Dec. 27, 2007! That was my personal nightmare. I had to file for divorce, because of domestic abuse. There went my entire income, because we had a company together, and he closed the bank account and left me high and dry. It was divorce hell.

    I had never been late, and I had been making payments as I got my life together, on and off. I was not in foreclosure, but late.

    In June 2008, I got a small alimony decree. In October, 10 months, later, I was contacted by a mortgage modification firm, that talked me into doing a modification, with
    them, and I thought they were reputable, as they were a law
    firm in Calif. There were no complaints against them as I looked it up.

    I sent them two payments, as they said they were making progress with my lender, Indymac. I believed them. However
    they instructed me not to contact the lender, they would do
    all the work. They were a law firm, so I assumed they were
    correct.

    I did not make my payments, they told me not to.
    On Jan 19, 2009, a man walked up to my house and tacked on a foreclosure notice. I was shocked and sick. I called the
    Rodis Law group, but no response. Finally I got the number of the head lawyer, he said he would give me 1/2 of my money back if I did not file a complaint! I was desperate. He said I should have just filed a Chp 13. I did not want to, that was why I hired them.

    I immediately called Indymac, they were sympathetic, and started me on a 6 month payment plan. I paid 2 months of the old regular payment, for the first installment, and the other 5 on time of $2900. My regular arm payment was $2200. I was on time, and in July I was told they could do a modificaton. There was a balloon of $24,000. that would be due otherwise. On about July 19th, of 2009, I applied for a modification, that was sent to me, which looked like the real deal. I signed it, and sent them all the financial info. they requested.

    I was in a panic, about the 24K, and being literally in limbo. I did my homework, and it looked like under the guidelines on the FDIC website, I definitely qualified. I sent them the down payment, of $1735 in a cashiers check, as they requested which was to be the first payment. I did not qualify for the HOPE program, as I had found out for the first time, that Inymac did not own the note, a (secret) investor did. I have requested the investor's name in writing, it had never been revealed to me.

    Anyway, I received a letter, in 5 days, I was declined. Not enough income. I had plenty. I had made the $2900. payments, now I was turned down for $1735? It was to be a fixed rate at 3% for 5 years. Now the principal was up by $50,000, in fees also. I did not question it.

    I am 56, no where to go, scraping out a living, got back with
    the devil man, just to exist. I can not even afford to move back to California. Also in June, I received a letter from the FTC, that the law firm, was under investigation, and their assets had been frozen. I was not the only one. I was in a panic mode. I called and called, and got a hold of
    a liaison, at the modification dept. of Indymac, and after 5 days in limbo, I got another temp. payment plan in Sept. 1, 2009 ,of $2000 per month, for 6 months.

    I just applied for another loan mod two weeks ago, on Oct. 14th under HAMP, and was turned down it looked like the same day. It was something about the NAV, and not enough income again. I have increased my income another $900 per month. The decline letter came 1 day after I faxed the information in.

    What to do now? This house is worth less than 1 year ago, when I started this process. I am lost. I have written my 2 senators, Daniel Inouye, and Daniel Akaka. I have written My Congresswoman, Maize Hirono. Daniel Inouye, has been the only one to write back. It was a form letter, telling me to call HUD, and the programs available like HAMP.

    My letter specifically addressed the problem that the government programs aren't working. HUD is no help either, not help for homeowners at the 888-995-HOPE.

    They said it looked like I make TOO much money. I explained the situation, and they argued with me. I don't know what to do? I am desperate.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @Hawaii:

    I'll just offer a few thoughts: You should have filed a complaint against the attorney the moment he told you he'd give you back half of your money if you didn't file a complaint. Actually, you should have agreed - received the check, cashed it, and promptly filed a complaint.

    If the house is nearly worthless - or there is no way for you to make the payments and you're there, staying in a bad marriage, you should get out now. No house is worth this.

    My heart goes out to you. Let me know what happens. Thank you for sharing your story.

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    danellealtrusa@...

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    My husband and I tried the modification done by ourselves. What we got from B of A was the same teaser interest rate we had for the first two years of our ARM mortgage, which was some help but not a lot. This "helpful" modification is only for five years then reverts to the ARM! We are now getting a lawyer, as our loan was predatory, we believe. We also truly believe the lenders and investors objective is to get the property for themselves, cheap, especially if there is homeowner equity or value appreciation in it. To that end foreclosure is in their best interests. So that is what the lenders are aiming for - they are determined to make the killing, not just a profit. Greed is the prevailing factor. The government needs to step in and regulate what credit scores = what interest rate can be charged, or put a maximum on mortgage interest rates and a minimum qualification set of standards that if a borrower meets, he/she/they qualifies for the mortgage loan at X rate. That is the ONLY thing that will trump this greed environment. The credit reporting agencies need to be on a tight leash of having to be at least 99% accurate, too.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @Danellealtrusa:

    Thanks for the suggestions. There's no question in my mind that the lenders are looking out to recoup the most money. But I have no idea why they think that being one of 7 million foreclosures is a better idea than simply modifying loans.

    I hope this works out for you. Please keep me posted.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    Steve just sent me this email:

    I was denied a HAMP loan modification on October 23, 2009. My lender Chase Bank denied me stating my Hardship is not permanent in nature. Further stating that because I make the same income then at the time of loan origination in 2007 which is false I make significantly less also, my wife who is the coborrower has been out of work for 12 months and continues to seek work.

    I applied in July and it took Chase more than 90 days to come to the conclusion that my hardship - significant reduction in income and Job loss (borrower) is not permanent in nature. Nowhere in the US Treasury guidelines does it state that your hardship must be permanent in nature at this point my salary is pretty much permanent and my wife has yet to find work. Please Help by getting the word out regarding my situation.

    I've contacted HOPE NOW and had my file escalated, Also hired an attorney to address the legal dept and sent a complaint to the Illinois attorney general because I truly believe that my lender is making up their own rules to qualify people who are in imminent default less than 30 days late on their mortgage.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my story and I am in Loan modification hell at this point.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    Steve:

    You're doing all the right things. Keep working to escalate things. Don't let anyone tell you that your financial situation isn't "permanent" because until you and your wife are employed, it is.

    Good luck, and let me know what happens. One thing to do is to keep sending letters to the OCC. The OCC has jurisdiction over national lenders, like Chase, Wells Fargo and Bank of America.

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    Florencia23

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    My home loan is serviced by HomEq and it has been a nightmare. My income has decreased significantly over the last year as a solo practicing attorney and due to family and unemployment circumstances, our credit rating has tanked in the last few years, as well, making a refi near impossible. I have tried on three occasions to obtain a loan modification from HomEq. I meet all the criteria established under the federal government?s making homes affordable program, but somehow, no matter what income I report to HomEq (since I am self-employed, income varies a lot), I get denied. What is most frustrating is that they refused to give me a concrete reason for the denial. They say I ?do not meet the financial guidelines.? However, I meet the eligibility criteria established by the government. I have asked countless times for a specific explanation of what exactly the guidelines are that I do not meet and how don?t I meet them (for example, is my income too high or too low; my debts too high or too low, etc.). They refuse to give me an explanation saying that they do not need to discuss their internal policies with me. It is frustrating beyond belief. I am now considering filing a federal lawsuit against HomEq to force them to disclose the guidelines to me and why I was denied. Any other folks out there experience anything similar to this scenario?

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    wattpuppy

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    Barney Frank appears to making the sort of effort on the
    behalf of the tax payers that should have been taking place
    a year ago!! He has apparently written a letter to the those
    big bastards JPMORGAN/CHASE, COUNTRYWIDE etc. urging
    them to get their acts together and move these damn
    modifications ahead. This is ridiculous! The idea that these
    banks were given TARP dollars with no incentive to make
    good on these stupid loans just blows my mind. We need
    Judicial Modifications NOW! We need legislation to force
    these greedy bastards to do the right thing for the tax
    payers, the country, the economy.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @florencia23:

    Filing a lawsuit would certainly get their attention. But you might also escalate your request to the President or CEO of the company, and copy the OCC and FDIC on the request.

    A friend at the OCC told me that letters that detail (succinctly, with loads of paper-trail information) exactly what has happened and when, that are sent to the CEO or President of the financial institution, bank or mortgage lender, are getting looked at.

    It's classic customer no-service fightback training, Glink-style. Just jump over all the middle layers and get right to the top.

    So, write a letter that details who told you what, and when, make it short and well-organized, and overnight it to the corporate HQ. Make sure you copy Dougan at the OCC and Bair at FDIC. And be sure to include your contact information.

    I hope this helps. Let me know what happens.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @wattpuppy:

    I think bankruptcy judges should be able to modify first mortgages. Period. What's happening with loan modifications is a travesty. And this country will suffer from these "fake" loan modifications for years to come.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    eaglett1111

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    Sign this petition and send it on

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    anderscca

    11/02/09 | Report as spam

    Congresional Hearing Needed

    What does it take to have a congressional hearing on this? The banks typically don't own these loans - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do. Perhaps the modifications need to be taken out of the hands of the servicer.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @eaglett1111:

    Thanks for sharing this link. You should post it at my other site, Why Lenders Are Slow To Provide Loan Modifications..

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @Anderscca:

    I don't know how congressional hearings happen. A good start would be to start bombarding your elected representatives with complaints about how loan modifications are being handled. I think most people are so flipped out about their financial situation that contacting their elected representatives just doesn't happen as often as it should.

    The greasy wheel gets the oil - at least, that's been my experience. Thanks for your comment.

    Ilyce

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    anderscca

    11/03/09 | Report as spam

    Any Success?

    I would like to know if anyone who posted months ago were ever successful at acquiring a loan modification. If so, what seemed to work.
    I have started my letter writing/email campaign, starting with my elected officials.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    It's a great question, @anderscca. Has anyone successfully done a loan mod?

    Plenty of trial loan mods have been done, but only a fraction of those seem to have been made permanent. Like 2 percent. Tiny, tiny numbers.

    How will these hundreds of thousands of trial loan modifications be verified? How will they become permanent? I don't know that anyone knows the answers to those questions yet.

    But I'll keep looking. If anyone has a success story to share, please do it here.

    Thanks.

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    missworth310

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    Talk about modification hell.... I'm probably the queen and need to be crown. Still waiting for a response from CW/Bofa since June 08 and WaMu gave me a 1% interest only at $2,000 that I rejected ( i want at least 5 years!) then they put me in a trial mod that I rejected as well at $4,600.... insanity and now I'm about to sue their botttoms to get a principal balance reduction. My 2 houses lost over 60% of their value, going down from $3M to $1.3M one of them and the other from $2.2M to $1.1M or less... because of a builder the over built the neighborhood and liquidated it all at cost!!!

    Pray with me!

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    anderscca

    11/04/09 | Report as spam

    Unemployment is Temporary?

    My husband spoke with Chase today after submitting our request for reconsideration.
    They told him unemployment is a temporary situation since at some point he will be getting another job. When he gets a job, we can re-apply.
    What's wrong with this picture?

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    tryder2

    11/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    I'm lost. After reading countless blogs, I have yet to read of anyone have a successful modification. I can't wait months getting the runaround to ultimately lose my home anyway.
    I sent in my application for loan modification 10/21/09, I'm planning on calling Chase here in about an hour to see where I am in the process. Not very optimistic at this point. I paid my November payment, but unless I find a job very soon (been out of work 7 weeks), I won't be able to make another payment.
    Should I just try to sell my home now? Let it go into forclosure? I'm upside down probably $30-40k . I have a high credit score (790-800), am current on all my bills, but this is just madness.
    I feel so bad for all of you, the stress on you and your families, the sleepless nights, etc. I'm not a very religious person, but I do pray for all of you during these trying times

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    rbsutton1720

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Oh, yes; add us to the list of those in HAMP hell. Ours is with Saxon Mtg.

    It seems as if all of the lenders and servicers got together and agreed to operate HAMP under the same "worst practices".

    Here's what I think the opening page of their training manual looks like:
    Step 1: request documentation
    Step 2: loose documentation
    Step 3: loop/repeat six times (minimally)
    Step 4: tell homeowner that you are in their corner
    Step 5: request more documentation
    Step 6: tell them they have been one of the "chosen few" to be considered for the HAMP
    Step 7: establish HAMP "trial" program-but don't provide any documentation to homeowner about how trial payments were calculated or better yet, how their loan balance was computed ($50,000 more...for what?)
    Step 8: repeat steps 1,2 & 4
    Step 9: tell them they have been approved, but ask for more money before telling them what their new monthly mortgage amount and principal is to be
    Step 10: repeat step 4
    Step 11: provide amounts but don't tell them how its calculated
    Step 12: tell them "Uh-oh. We're missing some of your documentation. We'll have to start you all over because of time limitations"
    Step 13: repeat step 4

    Am not trying to make light of what our experience has been, but after a while, you just shake your head and become numb to their antics.

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @RBSutton1720:

    I wish I could laugh, but you're exactly right. This is how it feels to the average consumer.

    I spent some time this week with some of the heads of the consumer mortgage division of the biggest banks and lenders in the country.

    The guys (and, they're all guys at this moment) seem concerned about trying to do the right thing. Your problem, and the problem of consumers all over the place, is that you're talking to customer service reps who are about 25 levels down from the top guy - they may be poorly trained, exhausted, with not enough resources to adequately do the job.

    Bank of America, for example, had zero people in it's loan modification division when all this started less than six months ago. It simply didn't exist. Now, they have 11,000 people. It required going from 0 to 60 in a few months.

    It's not an excuse - just an explanation from the top of why things don't quite work out the way you envision they will - and a recognition that hundreds of thousands of people's lives are being destroyed along the way.

    Thanks for your contribution to the blog.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @tryder2:

    Sometimes I think prayer works as well as anything else.

    Seriously, I know that two things work:

    1. Call, Call, Call. Make sure you call frequently and keep track of who you talk to, what they say, what their name is, where they work and their employer ID.

    2. Escalate. Skip over the 24 other layers (see above comment) and jump to the CEO's office. Write a letter detailing clearly the contact with the company and what you were told. Then overnight it to HQ.

    This will work.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    @andersecca:

    The comment that was made to you is insane. On the other hand, if you don't have a job, you won't qualify for a loan modification.

    It's a fairly awful Catch-22.

    Alice in Wonderland, anyone?

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @missworth310:

    Your property prices are so high (>$1 million) that any hope you'll have for a loan modification has to come from the bank itself - you don't qualify for anything from the government.

    As I've just said, prayer is good, but constant calling might be better.

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    ibeaber

    11/07/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Hell is right, Indymac Bank Is just the most inconsiderate, non caring, lying ,canyving, cut throats I have ever been up against.We hired attorneys from california to do a loan modin the latter part of 08 with no result. Ihad to fight them with tooth and nail to get the 3,500 dollars back from them. Not long after I was laid off from my job. My wife was making all the money in the house.We applied for a loan mod. We were sent the packet and complied with all the wants and needs that they requested. The first check was in the form of a cashiers check, which they promptly cashed, the second was a personal check which they also cashed. The third one however was returned with a letter stating that they appreciated me trying to pay back past due payments but they could no longer accept personal checks but only those of a certified nature. We found out after calling that we were denied the same day that they got the packet back. Reason: I made a statement that my wife makes the same amount of money that she previously at the time we signed the mortgage documents. The funny thing is that I am not on the mortgage and can only speak to them with her authorization. Our second modification packet came on 10-15-09. We promptly submitted all the necessary paperwork along with a cashiers check and sent it off. They received the packet on 10-21-09. My spouse called on 10-22-09 to confirm, she spoke with a gentleman who stated that yes everything that they needed was there. She called again 2 days later and was told that the modification was being processed. On 11-05-09 we received a letter stating that they did not have the check, that they never received it. We have copies of th bank issued check which we faxed to them. So in essence they waited two weeks to tell us ,thus making the first trial payment late. I sent them another payment western union so it wouldn't get lost ha ha. But never the less they will deny this modification also because the first payment was not on or before the first of the month as stated in the modification packet. Not to mention that on 10-24-09, just three days after they received this new modification packet, we were served with forclosure papers.I think that its high tim we all stop moping around and file a class action suit against our lenders.

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    itten94

    11/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Chase Hell!!

    We lost 2/3 of our income in 11/08, spent all our savings to stay afloat, hoping that job was just around the corner. It was in 2/09, but at a reduced rate. We started working with H4H in 2/09 and submitted all docs to Chase 3/09. They finally registered our package 3/22/09. Because we had late payments, even though we now had jobs we could not refinance. Why, we all ask, because when the meltdown occured the credit score requirements for refi went up about 100 points. So now we sit with Chase - idiots to say the least. In July and August our file was to be escalated, but it never happened. We apparently needed to submit the same paperwork over and over, but did they contact us to tell us this. Never have they called or contacted us directly about the loan mod, forebearance or repayment plans. It is now 11/8/09 and still nothing, we had to file bankruptcy in 9/09. Chase filed for relief from stay and received it from the court. So now I have dealt with homeowners assistance, loss mitigation, escalation, bankruptcy, and on 11/12/09 I get to talk to inactive bankruptcy to continue to discuss this non-appearing loan mod. It is all smoke and mirrors. We have not made payments to them, we have made a decision to not throw good money after bad, why pay the damn thing if they will foreclose anyway, I did that in late 2008, and it didn't help the situation. I have read horror stories of people making their trial mod payments, only to receive a foreclosure notice after making those payments. I have no faith or trust in them. I have never received the same information when speaking to them. I have even called with H4H on conference and to no avail, they really can't help either. I have spoken with attorneys and now am going to attend a NACA workshop to see if they can help. I have done so much research on the internet, how to save your home, blogs from other peoples troubles, etc. Not sure what will happen, but I will fight them to the death!!

    The thing I really don't understand about today's society, everyone complains about becoming a socialist society, or not wanting to become one. Do we not realize we already have!! Rules of capitalism would have let these companies fail, no matter how large, and the largest corporation of all if the american government!! Come on, get your heads out of the sand, IT IS STILL ABOUT GREED!!!! I wish the government had given me bail out money, held my hand through a 30 day bankruptcy and then given me more money to stay on my feet, like GM. Wow, I didn't sign up for this!

    November, 2008 was the first time in my life I decided to vote...for change...all I got was jury duty and $30.

    I wish everyone the very best in their fight - if we all banned together don't make our mortgage payments for one month and march on Washington, I wonder would we be noticed then?

    Kathy

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    anderscca

    11/09/09 | Report as spam

    Response from Senator

    Just heard from my Senator who said in part
    "Fortunately, the ability to open an inquiry with a regulatory agency is not solely the prerogative of a United States Senator. You may bypass the time-consuming process of a Congressional inquiry and contact your lender's regulator directly." The OCC is the federal regulator for Chase.

    Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
    Customer Assistance Group
    1301 McKinney Street, Suite 3450
    Houston, TX 77010-9050
    Phone: 800-613-6743
    Fax: 1-713-336-4301
    http://www.occ.treas.gov/index.htm

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/09/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @anderscca:

    The Comptroller of the Currency regulates all of the big national banks. They're completely overwhelmed at the moment with comments from consumers, but happy to try to help.

    I heard from one of my contacts there that last week, more than 100 angry consumers trekked to the Hill (I can't remember where he said they were from) to just detail their own loan modification from hell stories.

    The OCC seems well aware of the problem - but they don't seem to be able to solve everyone's problem immediately.

    I think what is working, is to send correspondence directly to the CEO's office of the bank, with a copy to the OCC.

    Thanks for your addition to the blog.

    Folks, please continue to leave your stories and comments. They ARE being read.

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    feebrown6

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Thank you for this post. I am in Loan Modification Hell. Bank of America services my loan I was formerly with Countrywide . I first went through the HOPE Foundation and was pre-qualified for a loan modification, the representative from HOPE sent the recommendation to BAC for processing on June 27,2009. I have called every week in the month of August and was told the modification is in process please be patient. I waited until October to start calling again and I was finally told the truth that there was no loan modification started on my loan. Of course I was steaming mad and I demanded to talk to someone about this I was transferred 10 times to different numbers, several of the transfer calls were disconnected. No one could give me an explanation. On Oct. 28, 2009 I called again and received a very honest person from the home retention department who started the process, she listened to me rant and she took my financial information and she confirmed the HOPE foundation did forward their recommendation for a loan modification but unfortunately no one there had made an effort to work on it. She promised to get it started. She told all that was needed from me to get the workout process started. Two proof of income, 2008 tax form, hardship letter, 2 months of bank statements. I made sure to confirm this is all I needed. I faxed all the documentation on 11/02/09 the representative suggested to call with in a week to confirm the faxed information was received and to find out the next step in this modification. I called today to be asked the same questions that I answered in October! And I was asked to fax the same information again. I reminded the young man this was faxed on 11/02/09. Which he looked and confirmed it was received. Now he is telling me that he has forward all the information to the workout team to review and that I should call back in two weeks. I am so frustrated and angry that I have made the effort to get this resolved so I can work on repairing my credit. Please tell me what else can I do. I just have this strange feeling I will be rejected. I do not know what to do. Please tell me I am not crazy!!! Please.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @feebrown6:

    I can understand why you're so frustrated. It feels like you're hitting your head against the wall over and over again.

    I'd like to suggest that you write a letter to Ken Lewis, at Bank of America's Headquarters walking him through the timeline, who you spoke with, and when. Tell him you've sent the documents, called back, etc.

    And then copy the OCC (See above) on your letter.

    Let me know what happens.

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    jaigob@...

    11/13/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Great thanks so much Ilyce, I will do that.

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    dfernam

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    A blow by blow of one persons account of the loan mod
    process rel="nofollow" href>http://rantsofreason.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/long-
    time-customer-says-goodbye-to-etrade/

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/16/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @jaigob

    Let me know what happens.

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/16/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Folks:

    I've received a bunch of loan modification hell stories from readers. I'm going to post them here.

    From Cornelia:

    Ilyce I'm in a loan with Litton loan, they got my loan from popular mortgage in November of last year and at that time I owed for two months.

    I contacted popular to ask who I should pay the money too, them or popular. I did not get a answer from but Litton loan sent me a welcome letter in December of last year. I contacted them and ask should I send them the payment and they told me they could not accept the payment because they didn't have all my paper work from popular at that time.

    So I sent the payment to popular mortgage. Litton loan sent me a statement saying I owe the $4300 dollars, but my monthly payments were was 768 a month and late fee was $29.00. I asked how could two months be behind turn into over four thousand dollars?

    I applied for the loan modification 4 times and each time I call they give me a different story. I even went to a HUD office and they sent in all my paper work and still no modifcation.

    I was told to pay 3 months monthly payments which started
    in June and I'm still making payments. I agree with Martha they are trying to get as much money as they can out of us and It's not against the law.

    I'm a senior citizen, should I walk away and let them have this place? I'ts a old condo, the roof leaks,the gutters are rotted out and there is a tree that rotted in the back yard that is going to fall on it one day it is just a matter of time. I have critters that live in the attic. I can go on and on about this place that litton loan only want their money for.

    Ilyce you do not have to publish this whole story if it is too long and use just my first name because I'm still trying to get the loan modification. The Atlanta housing authorities have me on a list for seniors to help seniors but it's been a year and I've heard nothing from them.

    I also went to People helping People last year and this year and can't get any help. Went to NACC taken the training class last year but no help. What next. Thanks for your listening ear Ilyce. You are our Oprah.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Cornelia:

    Follow this link to my website where I talk about how to write a letter to the CEO of your financial organization. Litton is regulated by the OCC (Treasury Dept) and you can call their help line to get some assistance.

    SHould you just walk away? Maybe. But if you want to save your home, you'll have to make some noise so you get some help.

    Let me know what happens.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @Mary Jo Writes:

    My lender was Countrywide which got took over by BOA. My husband was out of work from Aug 2008 til Nov 2008. I got laid off in Oct of 08. My husband's son died in Nov 08.

    I have been trying to get a loan modification for over a year. I contact a law firm out of California that I had seen advertise on CNN. Well, needless to say they turned out to scammers.

    After this I called BOA and tried to get them to work with me on a modification but after giving me the run around for over a year. They told me they were going to give me a partial claim which was not a loan modification. The partial claim would let us pick up our payments (which went from $981 a month to $1100 a month), no money up front.

    They would put the payments we are behind on a separate note that if we sold the house we would half to pay FHA this money back. They were suppose to take off our credit record the payments we had been behind on.

    When we received the papers in the mail, they gave us 3 days to come up with $3,500. We would have to make a payment by the middle part of November. That would have been $4,600.

    If I could come up with that kind of money in matter of days I wouldn't need a modification. So I called them told them that there were not supposed to be up front fees. She said she could close the file. So, they closed the file and they foreclosed the 3rd of this month.

    They refuse to try to help me. Now they can't get us out of the house fast enough. Oh yeah, they offer to rent us the house for $730 a month. Ain't that a joke. Something needs to be done about BOA and I'm going to try to see what I can do.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Mary Jo: Thanks for sharing your story. I can't figure out why so many people seem to be slipping through the cracks.

    Let me know what happens.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    FROM LAILA:

    Does an NOD expire after one year and a lender has to file a new one? I own a loan modification company and I am pretty much an expert. I also run the loan mod department of a law firm, but I couldn't find an answer to my question.

    I have an NOD on one of my houses, but the other one that i purchased next door for my family had an NTS for Jan 2nd which forced me to file a BK, which i delayed and played with for 9 months until I had to cancel it on Sept 5th. My NOD on my second house was posted Sept 10th, which is over a year. In the title search it doesn't show a red flag anymore as if the house is in foreclosure. But i'm scared they might sell it at any minute without previous notice.... I'd hate that.... i want to know if it's true that after an NOD expires after 1 year, they'll have to start the process all over again. I'm in Los Angeles, California. and my houses are worth $2M & $3M....
    Thanks!

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    From LINDA:

    I need some help on who to contact about my loan modification which has been with Chase since April 2009. They are dragging there feet. I was told last week my loan was in the final stage, with an underwriter. I really do not belive them.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    From Shelley:

    Ms. Glink, I sure hope you can help us. I don't know quite where to turn. We started our loan mod process in April this year. Our loan is with Countrywide/BofA.

    After being stonewalled for 2 months in direct talks with Countrywide, we hired WMG to help us in this process. They charged us $3,500 upfront and we submitted all our paperwork. We were told that the process would probably take us no longer than 30 days. Over 7 months later, and here we are. Today we received a certified letter that our loan is in default and will go to foreclosure if we don't pay over $10K by 12/10/09.

    We did everything right. Responded quickly and completely. We ended up submitting our paperwork a couple of times, only to be told that the CW/BofA merger caused major delays. Meanwhile the company we signed up with was acquired by Financial Litigation Law Group, and we were assigned all new case workers.

    I called nearly weekly to find out status on our case. We received assurances that our process would be completed in 90 days (by 11/25/09). And now we are in default.

    When Obama came out with his loan mod plan, we thought he was speaking directly to us after suffering severe financial hardships late last year/early this year.
    Yet we tried month after month to keep up with our payments (never have had bad credit), and in doing so accumulated significant debt. We held back one payment thinking it would help us progress things along. And then then last three months made partial payments, having been told that it would all be resolved when the loan mod was completed.

    Please, if you would give me some advice on the steps you would take to rectify this situation and resources that are available to us, we would be forever grateful. We have two children that have enjoyed growing up in our home. We want to rectify this situation, save what we can, and move on.

    Thank you in advance for your consideration.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    From Jason:

    Hello, I just heard you speaking about this subject on the radio here in Atlanta. After reading all of these stories, I'm wondering if it's worth it to try this program.

    I have contacted Wachovia / Wells Fargo and have received the paperwork explaining what documents need to be submitted.
    I'm currently in the process of filling out financial statements and gathering the necessary documents to be submitted.

    I have a decent credit score and all my payments are up to date,however, I have had three pay-cuts this year and am looking at a possible fourth. Every bit of revenue I'm bringing in is being used. I have recently cut off my telephone service and cable TV service as well. I am living on a very strict budget, all non essential expenditures have been stopped.

    I believe that my home value has dropped below what I paid for it.I owe approximately 135,000 and I think it's probably worth about 125,000. I have an 80/20 and my 80 is at about 6.5% and my 20 is 8.75.

    My question is, Should I submit this paperwork for the loan modification? Or should I focus on trying to secure a traditional refinance?

    Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.

    thanks in advance for your response.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    From Jackie via email:

    I am currently past the 3 month trial period and have a new agreement with my lender. GMAC mortgage was great with me and did things in a timely manner and always had good info for me when I called.

    Originally, I hired attorneys Fransen & Molinaro out of Corona, CA. They advertised on the radio show House Calls and I paid them $3200 to help me with my loan mod. I nearly lost my home because of them.

    They fired the first person handling my case and then shuffled me around so much that i never even knew who was my current rep. The owner straight up lied to me on the phone when he told me that he had spoken with my lender on the phone and all the paperwork was in. I hung up and called my lender myself and they told me that no, they were still waiting on paperwork from my attorneys.

    I finally took it over myself and it came down to finally being approved for the Obama plan 10 days before the foreclosure sale date. I filed a complaint with the bbb about these people and I don't have the money to sue them but i am just thankful that i thought to keep track of the people doing this. They failed me all the way around.

    I told the lender to take their name and number off as contacts and these people have never even called me to see how it's going or what's going on. I just stopped using them. Just wanted to let you know that GMAC mortgage was great with me but those attorneys almost made me lose my home.

    Coming down to 10 days until the foreclosure sale date is ridiculous.

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Jackie:

    I have to tell you, this is just awful. I think you should call the State Bar of California which regulates attorneys and file a complaint. You may get your money back from them or not, but in any case, you should file a complaint.

    I also am really glad that you wound up having success in getting GMAC to work out a loan modification for you. And, I'm happy to give them a shout out.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    feebrown6

    11/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Ilyce,

    Thank you for your advice writing to the President of BAC, I contacted the Pres. BAC Home Loans via email yesterday. I received a call from the workout department today to start my request. Your advice is valuable.
    I will give an update.

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    Ilyce Glink

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    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    @feebrown6:

    I'm thrilled to hear that you've made contact! Really good news.

    Let me know what happens.

    Ilyce

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Folks:

    Contacting the CEOs of your lender will work. Please see Comment #62 for a link to my ThinkGlink.com site where I have outlined in letter form how you should correspond with your lender.

    I'd love to help you turn this around. Let me know what happens and please continue to submit your stories. I know from the emails I cannot post (because they're on "background") that they are being read by people at the highest levels in these companies and in the federal government and your concerns are noted.

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    From Kathy via email:

    I have a home loan with wamu/chase. I started with a loan modification back in may 09. I was asked to continually send the same things in over and over again. Also when I called I had to talk to several different people, and most of them didn't even know anything. To make a long story short my modification papers arrived today to sign and send back. Guess what? My payments are higher than before the modification. And the interest rate stayed the same. Big Help they were. The trial period my payments were 542.50. My payments before were 880.32. and now they are 900.00. I guess they will just have to take the house.

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Are You in Loan Modification Hell? Join the Club.

    Kathy -

    This is not supposed to be happening. Your payments in the permanent modification are NOT supposed to be higher than your trial period loan modifications.

    I urge you to contact Jamie Dimon's office (he is the CHASE CEO) immediately to let him know that this isn't right and you are perfectly happy to continue with the trial modification amount on a permanent basis. Let him know you cannot afford the higher amount and will otherwise have to go into foreclosure.

    Here is the contact information for Jamie Dimon:

    JPMorgan Chase & Co.
    270 Park Avenue
    New York, NY 10017
    United States - Map
    Phone: 212-270-6000
    Fax: 212-270-1648
    Web Site: http://www.jpmorganchase.com

    Send the letter return receipt requested, or overnight, and copy the Treasury Department and the OCC on it. Let me know what happens.

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