$8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

By Ilyce Glink | Oct 29, 2009 |

According to news reports this morning, Senate negotiators reached a tentative deal on extending and slightly expanding the $8,000 first-time home buyer tax credit.

Here’s the tax credit new deal Senate negotiators apparently reached:

  • The current $8,000 first time home buyer tax credit would be extended for contracts that are finalized by April 30, 2010 and close by June 30, 2010. This is supposed to help Realtors and mortgage lenders get through the supposed “slow” Winter selling season. In reality, while traffic is down, the housing sales numbers in the winter aren’t all that different from summer and fall. But by allowing the tax credit to continue until June 30, you’re also allowing those who buy next Spring to take advantage of the tax credit - and we’ll have to read the fine print to know what the Senators mean by the “finalizing” date.
  • A new $6,500 tax credit will be available to some existing homeowners who lived in a home for a “consecutive” 5 years out of the past 8 years. This part of the tax credit seems to be designed to help out those who have had to move out of their long-time primary residence to take a job elsewhere and rented out the property because they couldn’t sell it.
  • The income limits will be raised, so both tax credits will be available to those individuals earning up to $125,000, or up to $225,000 for married couples. The current tax credit limits first-time borrowers to an income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for married couples, and phases out above those levels.

So what’s really going on? Yesterday’s perfectly awful and surprising housing numbers finally tilted the axis toward extending and expanding the credit. The Commerce Department reported that new home sales fell an unexpected 3.6 percent to an average annual pace of 402,000 sales. Economists and industry observers had been expecting sales to rise 5 percent.

Realtors, mortgage lenders and home builders said that the fall in home sales would mirror what would happen if the tax credit wasn’t extended - countering HUD secretary Shaun Donovan’s contention that nothing bad would happen if the tax credit was allowed to expire on schedule. They point to last month’s housing numbers as a sign of things to come if the tax credit died on November 30.

My email and blog comments have been running mostly in favor of extending and expanding the tax credit. Clearly, the real estate professionals are all for it. The only activity they’ve really seen this year has been from first-time buyers. Every sale that closes means a commission in their pockets in a year where commissions are few and far between - and that helps pay their mortgages and bills.

But there is a strong undercurrent of resentment from Realtors as well as taxpayers who don’t want to add another dollar to the Federal deficit - let alone $17 billion or more. (By the way, the Republicans and Democrats are in favor of spending this money, folks. It’s a completely bipartisan new deal.)

The last bit of wrangling on the tax credit is how to bring it to the floor. As I’ve been saying, I think we’ll see it added to legislation to extend federal unemployment insurance benefits, the Unemployment Compensation Extension Act (S.1699).

As Bravo Network says, “Watch what happens.”

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    From Karen: On the ActiveRain Network:

    I think the extension of the first-time home buyer's tax credit program is a great thing. And also... the cut-off date of April 30, 2010 and the closing cut-off date of June 30, 2010 make sense, too. Thanks for the update.

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    From Steve: On the ActiveRain Network:

    Yes, the numbers yesterday were indeed a surprise......and very disappointing. Surely, this must tell us that the extension is sorely needed.

    My fingers are crossed!

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    DonnaStott

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    Fabulous. We needed to keep the ball that JUST creaked to a slow of it's downward roll moving in a better direction. Great job if it does get done. YES, we do need it! Home-ownership should be REWARDED. If more people buy homes, it stabilizes the whole country. Better citizens, better families, better lives!

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    ajunanka

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    Any word on when this would become effective?

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @DonnaStott

    The federal government has always rewarded homeowners with extra tax credits, etc., because it believes that homeowners vote more regularly than renters. Thanks for your comment.

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @ajunanka:

    If it passes, the new $8,000 tax credit extension and expansion will be seamless, and begin on December 1, 2009. First-time buyers won't notice any difference. Existing homeowners would have to wait until December 1, 2009 to close.

    Thanks for your question.

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    sacobay-23184421522008024916422312272934

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    The extension of the $8000 tax credit to 1st-time homebuyers is a win-win situation for buyers, sellers, mortgage companies and real estate professionals. It keeps the money moving and eventually helps all other industries in a positive motion. The new incentive of $6500 for current homeowners or those that have owned a home for 5 out of the last 8 years will open the floodgates to those who have been waiting for their equity to return to pre-2006 levels. Many more properties will now change hands and the positive momentum will trickle to all other industries such as car dealers, construction workers, furniture and appliance dealers, excavators, surveyors, painters, electricians, plumbers, hardware stores, etc. Isn't this what we expected from the $800B Stimulus Package? Lets hope we don't soon forget the lessons of the past and pay more attention to keeping our financial appetites in check. PHD

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    ajunanka

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    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    The other advantage of waiting until Dec. 1 to close is for those who have an AGI greater than 75k/150k. Now we can reap the benefits of the full refund.

    Also, do you respond to emails? I have an off topic question for you.

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @sacobay:

    You've raised a great point. There is a trickle-down theory to the tax credit and it goes something like this: For every house that's purchased, about $60,000 in money is spent on other things: the commission, insurance, furnishings, rehabbing, etc.

    If we see this kind of momentum, it can help.

    The only problem is, what happens in 2010 and 2011 when the tax credit expires and no one buys homes? Also, don't forget that up to another 7 million homes may go into foreclosure.

    We're not out of the woods yet.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @ajunanka:

    You're right. The higher AGI is a huge benefit for trade-up buyers.

    I do respond to emails, but very slowly - and I don't get to everyone simply because of sheer volume - I receive sometimes 500 to 1,000 emails PER DAY!!! (Yikes!)

    That said, if you want to send something, try ilyce@thinkglink.com and I'll see what I can do.

    You can also use the CONTACT ILYCE GLINK link above and I will see that it is a comment from a MoneyWatch.com visitor. That helps to move you up in the queue.

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    jc31928858

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    Would you know if the new amendment requiring the taxpayer who is claiming the credit to attach a HUD-1 settlement statement with thier claim also applies to those of us who will be closing before the old Nov 30 deadline?

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @JC31928858

    My understanding is that the new tax credit stands on its own completely. So, you will not need to attach a HUD-1 settlement statement to your claim prior to November 30, 2009 - but I have to say, it's a fine idea.

    Thanks for your question.

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    CVSoprano

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    What about the rest of us who bought homes in the last (insert random number) years? Most of us have been making those mortgage payments in good faith and on-time as agreed in the terms of the contracts we signed. By doing so, we have been stimulating, are stimulating, and will continue to stimlulate the economy while not adding to the already-dismal foreclosure rates. Where is OUR reward for engaging in such "favored behavior"?

    Between the various tax credits (I'm looking at YOU, "Clunkers"), I'm about completely sick of watching my tax dollars being sloshed over everyone's heads like Gatorade on a football coach.

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @CVSoprano:

    There's nothing for folks like you (and me, as it happens) who are going along, making on-time payments and living our lives. There is no reward for doing what you agreed to do, unfortunately.

    That said, folks who got the original $7,500 tax credit in 2008 are really annoyed that they have to pay that tax credit back and folks who bought in 2009 got $8,000 for free. And folks who traded up this year and would have qualified for $6,500 are really annoyed that they don't get this perk.

    And guess what? If the economy doesn't improve, they'll extend and further expand the tax credit next year - which only serves to teach Americans to push back and wait.

    At some point, we'll have to stand on our own.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    Jordan711

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    So it is saying the new limit (125K) doesn't apply for those who
    bought before Dec 2009 (but during 2009)?...Sounds unfair to
    me....

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @Jordan711:

    That is correct. If you earned $120,000 as a single first-time buyer and purchase your home before December 1, 2009, the new limit doesn't apply to you.

    And if you think this isn't fair, imagine how those who bought homes in 2008 with the $7,500 tax credit THAT THEY HAVE TO REPAY feel. My in-box is bulging with their complaints.

    Ugh.

    Thanks for your comment.

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    Ilyce Glink

    10/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    From Tom on ActiveRain:

    "I think the tax credit is needed to help "chip away" at inventories. In the long run, it's money well spent. There can be no real recovery without a stabilization of the housing market."

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    candeyoung

    11/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    My husband and I are existing home owners and currently building a new home and are set to close Nov. 30. Can we push back our closing date to take advantage of the $6500 tax credit?

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @CAndeyoung:

    You should absolutely push back your closing by one day. You will be able to take advantage of the tax credit (as long as you meet the income guidelines and have lived in your current house for 5 years) and the buyer of your home may be able to take advantage of the tax credit as well.

    THanks for your comment.

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    jamesdallas

    11/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    i dont get this at all.... i bought my house march 17 2008 am i elligable for the new tax credit..... i am a first time home buyer

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @Jamesdallas:

    I'm sorry, but you don't seem to qualify James. The $8,000 tax credit started in April 2009 for first-time home buyers and was recently extended to move-up buyers as of November 6, 2009.

    You bought your home a year ago. The only tax credit you might have qualified for was the $7,500 tax credit, which you have to repay $500 per year over 15 years. That tax credit functioned more like a zero-interest loan.

    Here's a  

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    Ilyce Glink

    11/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: $8,000 Tax Credit: New Deal?

    @James: That didn't work.

    Let me see if this link works: IRS first-time home buyer tax credit.

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