Kathy Kristof

Devil in the Details

It’s a Credit-Card Scam. Don’t Fall for It!

By Kathy Kristof | Mar 24, 2009 |

Heather is stalking me — and probably you too. She’s part of a credit card scam by phone. And you could get snookered if you’re not careful.

For months, Heather left messages saying this was her absolute “last” courtesy call to lower my credit card rates. One day when she caught me live, I hit “1″ (as instructed by her recorded voice) and talked to “Joy,” who said she was with “Account Services Inc.” in San Francisco. When I asked how she could lower my rates, Joy replied: “We make our money from the interest and finance charges we save you.” After I asked how — and refused to give my credit card number until she explained — the phone went dead.

Reality check

There is no Account Services Inc. registered with the California Secretary of State. (You can check any business that says they’re licensed on the state’s web site.)

Scam check

Heather, Joy and their friend Cathy get around. Reports about this credit card scam are all over the web, indicating that people like them have been calling from Atlanta, Orlando, Los Angeles, London, Minnesota and Missouri. Several state consumer affairs offices have put out warnings.

What’s their game? Credit card identity theft. To “verify” that you qualify for the low rates, you need to give Heather or Joy (or one of their associates) your credit card numbers and balances. If you seem really gullible, you’ll be asked for your Social Security number too.

The one sucker out of 100 who gives out the info soon finds her credit cards charged to the hilt and new cards opened in her name.

From the web posts and increasing warnings, the game appears to be gaining steam–like dozens of other financial cons–largely because an increasing number of consumers are desperate. 

A better solution

If you are drowning in debt, find a non-profit credit counseling service. Sit down with a live counselor and work out a budget and repayment plan. If you need a break on the interest rate–or even the outstanding balance–non-profit counseling services can handle that too.

You can find legitimate credit counselors in your area through the National Foundation for Consumer Credit or the Association of Independent Consumer Credit Counseling Agencies. Both have a “find a counselor” button at the top left of their home pages. And remember that you should never give your personal financial details to someone who phones you. If a caller claims to be from your bank, tell her you’ll call back (to the number on your bank statement) before divulging your Social Security, account numbers, address or date of birth.

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    DougZi

    04/21/09 | Report as spam

    RE: It's a Credit-Card Scam. Don't Fall for It!

    When they call, they'll never tell you their exact address or what number they can be reached at, but it's usually not too difficult to get a city out of them. Sometimes you can find their phone numbers in recruiting ads on craigslist. They generally advertise themselves as an "incoming call center" and sometimes mention that they help people with lowing their credit card interest rates. For them, an outgoing call is turned into an "incoming call," when the recipient presses "1."

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    JackHolmes

    05/01/09 | Report as spam

    Jack


    The company making this call with an auto dialer is a known scam outfit. They spoof phone numbers of victims all the time. Sometimes, they spoof non-working phone numbers. I've done a lot of research of this company. Actually, there are several affiliated companies, owned by the same people that try to scam innocent victims. One scam is about auto warranties. The other is about credit card debt relief. They even have scams about dish television, home alarms, and more. Their MO is the same. The use an auto dialer, and call thousands of random numbers. They have no regard to the do not call lists. Your demands or complaints to them are worthless. They will continue to call you.

    They will not remove you from their call lists. Why? BECAUSE THEY DO NOT MAINTAIN ANY. THEY ARE CROOKS. THEY HAVE NO REGARD TO THE MANY LAWS THEY BREAK.

    If they call about a car warranty, the message says something as "This is the second notice on your extended vehicle warranty. Press one now to speak to a representative..." The message about credit debt mentions "This is Account Services. We are calling to lower your credit card debt. Press one now to speak to a representative..."

    Here are the details of these douchebags:

    VP Marketing
    1820 Water Place Pkwy
    Ste 255
    Atlanta GA 30339
    678-741-3188
    678-741-3189

    They also were previously known under a different corporate name, with a different address:
    Versadebt Corp.
    4501 Circle 75 Parkway
    Suite #A-1225
    Atlanta GA 30339
    678-238-1300
    678-238-1349
    678-238-1351

    Versadebt was voluntarily dissolved in August, 2008.

    Here is the first ever media report exposing these crooks! From Fox 5 Atlanta - WAGA, a 6 minute new video that confirms everything:
    http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/ITeam_Auto_Warranties_032409

    According to the report, VP Marketing is owned by Jason Eyer. Here is how you can contact this person, courtesy of public records filed with the Georgia Department of State:
    Jason Eyer
    1603 Mosaic Way
    Smyrna, GA 30080
    407-902-1950
    407-902-9377

    Both companies are listed with the Georgia Department of State. Here is how you can lookup their information:
    http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/CSearch.asp

    You will find that the "Registered Agent" for VP Marketing is Kelly Lonas, 224 Ripple Creek Drive, Marietta GA 30060. The listed "Member/Manager" is James A. Schoenholz at the 4501 Circle 75 Parkway address.

    Versadebt's Registered Agent is the same James A. Schoenholz at the 4501 Circle 75 Parkway address. There is one additional name listed for Versadebt. The listed CEO, CFO, and Secretary is named Marvin Cox, Jr. at the same address.

    In fact, Marvin Cox may be an owner of all of these related companies.

    Here are some links to prove my research:
    Job listings for VP Marketing:
    http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobResults.aspx?ncc=^"VP+Marketing"$&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=65cc3191c8ec4200beb8f180570269d1-267407999-RF-4&ns_siteid=ns_us_g_"vp_marketing"_at

    Notice the job listings for "Appointment Setter," "Qualification Representative," "Auto Warranty Specialist," and "Financial Representatives." Those are the idiots you get on the phone when you press "1" to speak to a representative after receiving their ILLEGAL recorded phone calls. Also, you can see many other job listings with similar titles.

    Interestingly, if you view these help wanted ads, you will notice that their address and phone number are different from what is listed with the Georgia Department of State. They now list 678-741-3188 and 678-741-3189 as the phone number of Human Resources. IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL TO CALL THEM AS THEY LISTED THEIR NUMBER IN A PUBLIC FORUM. Call them to find out more information about this company. You will need this in your complaints to the FCC, FTC, and your state Attorney General.

    You can call them to see if they offer Car Warranties or tell them you are interested in a lower interest rate. It is quite humorous to listen to their answers!

    Here are some details from RipOff Report. Pay particular attention to these (especially the first link) as ex employees detail how they operate and how their scam works:
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/418/RipOff0418596.htm
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/312/RipOff0312307.htm
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/301/ripoff0301144.htm
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/276/RipOff0276693.htm
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/301/RipOff0301861.htm

    You can learn much more about these douchebags by performing a web search for "versadebt," and "vp marketing," or "heather from account services."

    NOW, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS? You have two solutions:
    1) Speak to one of their customer service representatives. Pretend to be interested in either lowering your credit card interest rate or a car warranty. DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY REAL INFORMATION. Give them a fake credit card number, a fake name, and a fake SS#. Tell them you own a Ferrari, or a 1937 Dodge (however, if you really own one of those two, tell them you own a Buick). Give a made up VIN number. If they ask for your name and phone number, give them the info for the person you hate the most.

    Your goal is simple. Keep them on the phone for as long as possible. Be friendly. Your goal is twofold. You want to learn as much as possible about them. They will refuse to give you a website, phone number, or maybe even a real company name. They will attempt to give you a generic name such as "Account Services," "Financial Services," or "Dealer Services." This is done for a reason, to throw you and the government off their tracks. Do not accept this. Keep pressing for info. You will need this (see below).

    EVEN BETTER IS IF YOU CAN RECORD THE CALL.

    Also, the time you take from them means them have less time to steal from someone who is unknowledgeable about their scams. They get paid to rip people off. Take away their time, and they make no money! I have kept them on the phone for up to 20 minutes! I realize that many of you do not have the time. But do you appreciate being taken advantage of?

    Ever hear of Scambaiting? That is what you are doing!!! There are many entertaining web sites on this topic. For example, see:
    http://www.419eater.com.

    2) YOU MUST REPORT THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES:

    FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION!
    Here is the link to file a complaint: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

    FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION:
    https://donotcall.gov/complaint/complaintcheck.aspx

    You must also file a report with the Attorney General of your state. See the last link below to see how effective this can be.

    I file complaints against Versadebt and VP Marketing every time I receive a call. If everyone that received a call from these low-life scumbags does the same, then the combined action of thousands of us can stop these crooks from scamming innocent people out of money. You may also try to write your congress person.

    Additional information: This is what can happen if everyone were to complain!
    http://ago.mo.gov/newsreleases/2009/AG_Koster_says_GA_telemarketers_will_pay/
    http://ago.mo.gov/newsreleases/2008/TRO_against_Versadebt_and_Marvin_Cox_for_No_Call_violations/

    See the following press releases to see how effective your complaints can be:
    http://ago.mo.gov/newsreleases/2008/030608.htm
    http://ago.mo.gov/newsreleases/2008/National_crackdown_on_telemarketing_fraud_includes_three_cases_filed_by_Nixon/
    http://ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/telephoney.shtm

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    nyc_showstopper

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: It's a Credit-Card Scam. Don't Fall for It!

    Filing Complaints "may" help however, all that typically happens is that the company with the complaints gets fined and then they pay the fine, then keep on going. A fine, especially one that is just a few hundred thousand is just a "drop in the bucket" for the owners of this company. They are making more than that in one week. I wish there was a way to shut them down for good but to me it seems that the federal government and the individual states like the fact that these companies operate and break the law. As long as they are operating and breaking the law, the government can cash in on fines and they let the company keep going. Also the owners of the companies in question are Kara Adams and Jason Eyer. They get employees to list their names on the corporation to throw people off. Also, when they get "in trouble" they dissolve the corporation and then form a new one, using employees names as the owners/ceo's but that is false, it always comes back to the people who own the bank accounts which is Kara Adams and Jason Eyer.

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    Kathy Kristof

    09/02/09 | Report as spam

    RE: It's a Credit-Card Scam. Don't Fall for It!

    Just heard from another consumer who says her mom was
    charged $990 on a Sears card for Account Services. she's
    probably the fifth consumer to email, rather than post, because
    she was taken. DO NOT GIVE THESE PEOPLE YOUR CREDIT CARD
    NUMBERS.
    For that matter, don't give your credit card number to anyone
    who calls you unsolicited. It's like giving a stranger your ATM
    card and pin number. They can, and will, use it.

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Kathy Kristof

Kathy Kristof is a syndicated personal finance columnist, speaker and author of three books, including the recently updated Investing 101 (Bloomberg, 2008).

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