Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

By Kathy Kristof | Oct 14, 2009 |

How do insurance agents get past your objections and get you to buy a product that you might not want or need? I had the occassion to find out recently when I got yet another invitation to attend an “agents only” webinar.

I don’t know why, but I get a constant stream of emails and invitations for “insurance agent only” information. I’ve never pretended to be an insurance agent. Some invitations are even sent to me at my Los Angeles Times email address, so it seems as if they ought to know that I’m a reporter. It goes without saying that despite their admonishments that “only agents should attend” and that the information is “not for the general public,” I’m going to report on what’s said, particularly when it relates to a risk that you may face in the real world. If these folks really don’t want a reporter learning their inside secrets, they better take me off their mailing list.

Today’s seminar, “The Art of Handling Objections,” was too intriguing to pass up, particularly because they were talking about selling equity indexed annuities. These are a hybrid insurance product that I actually wrote favorably about a decade ago, but don’t recommend today. I’ll explain why later.

During a hour-long web conference, a sales “coach,” explained a four-step approach to getting past client’s (often reasonable) concerns to make a sale.

How do they do it?

Step one: “Cushion” the objection. In layman’s terms, this means “kiss up.”

When somebody says, “but what if I don’t want to lock money up for 10 years (as most of these products require)” the sales coach, who also sells annuities, responds: “That’s a great question. I’m so glad you asked that.”

This does two things, he told us on the call. It makes the client feel smart and it makes the sales agent appear likeable. There are three reasons why somebody will buy a financial product from you, the coach told his audience.

#1: They like you.

#2: They trust you.

“Third, and least important, is that you’re competent at what you do and are selling something that will address their financial concerns,” he said.

Step two: Narrow the concern. In layman speak? Find out if this, and only this, is what’s standing between you and a sale.

The coach suggested that agents say, “Mr. or Mrs. Customer, is this your primary concern about this product?” If the answer is no, the goal is to get the mark talking. Have them tell you about their lives, their fears, why your product makes them nervous.

If the answer is “yes,” the coach cautioned that you still shouldn’t move too fast. Even though some agents will take that response and reply: “If I adequately answer that concern, will you sign with me today?” he contended that would be a mistake.

“Selling insurance is like dating,” he said. “If you do too much, too quickly, you’re going to get slapped and you’re not going to get the sale.”

Step Three: Answer with a story. In layman’s terms, this means “change the subject.”

The coach illustrated the right response with a tale about his high school days, when they lost an important game because they just weren’t playing like they should. The coach didn’t even lambaste them, he said. The coach (as told by the sales coach) just said, “You know what you were doing wrong. This week, we’re going to focus on doing nothing but the fundamentals.” Lo and behold, they won the next game because everybody’s gotta focus on the fundamentals.

What are the fundamentals here? Why safety, of course. You say you want access to your money. The agent’s going to say, don’t you want to keep your money safe? That’s hard to argue with, unless you’re a contentious person like me who might say, “what if I want both?”

Step four: Close the sale.

I don’t need to explain that one, right? But I should mention that this is an important point to the agents because equity indexed annuities pay big commissions, somewhere in the neighborhood of 7% to 14% of the amount you invest. In other words, if you put $100,000 into this investment, the agent is going to walk home with about $7,000. That’s a big incentive to find ways to “overcome your objections.”

The brokerage sponsoring this “webinar” was also advertising its “escape” for top producers at the Ritz Carlton in Jamaica.

My point: there’s a lot of profit in these products. You should be realistic enough to realize that that profit comes out of your pocket.

What’s an equity-indexed annuity?

An equity indexed annuity is a hybrid insurance product that promises stock-linked returns without a risk to your principal. If the market goes down, you generally lose nothing. Most products are structured so that the worst you can do is get a zero-percent return. If the market goes up, you get a percentage of the gain.

The catch: The gain you get can be paltry and is difficult to predict because the insurance company usually has the right to determine it based on factors that are completely out of your control. The market could rise 10% and you could get just a 2% return, for instance.

If you don’t like the return, you can’t just take your money and move it elsewhere. These products typically have steep “surrender” fees that last 10 years or more. Translation: If you take your money out early, they can keep as much as 10% to 15% of what you originally invested.

Why did I think they were worth considering a decade ago? Because I’m a student of market history. In those days, the average annual return of stocks had been roughly 18%–about 8 percentage points more than the long-term market average–for a decade. I thought that was a troubling sign for long-term market returns and that we might have a market drop–or simply no returns–for some time to come.

But I’m not psychic and didn’t pretend to know when that might start. I also know that even in long-term bear markets, you sometimes have an up year. That could make the annual resetting provisions of many of these annuities attractive. For those who couldn’t stomach the idea of taking their money out of stocks and putting it in bonds and long-term CDs, equity indexed annuities appeared worth a look.

Today, market history tells a different story. Average returns have been close to zero for a decade, which puts our recent returns far below their long-term averages. Again, I’m not psychic, but I think that’s a good sign for stocks–even after accounting for their recent run. In that kind of environment, I’d rather bet on stocks than a product that provides principal protection but very little upside.

Should you buy one?

Let’s be clear: I don’t care. I don’t sell financial products. I’m not your mother, nor your child. You’re a big kid. Buy what you like.

My goal is to help you understand the techniques being used to sell you and help you steel yourself against them (if you need to) and understand the risks and rewards (if you don’t).

I think there are products, such as bank CDs, that do a better job of protecting your principal; and products, such as stock market index funds, that do a better job of providing investment growth. I’d recommend that you have some of both instead of an equity-indexed annuity.

But I don’t earn a commission.

Further reading

For a fabulous, step-by-step analysis of a similar product to what this “coach” was peddling, read Alan Roth’s post about his $100,000 challenge.

 
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    Kathy Kristof

    10/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    From Nervous in Napa via email:
    As a frequent reader of your devilishness, I was struck by a
    line in today's blog:

    "Let?s be clear: I don?t care. I don?t sell financial products. I?m
    not your mother, nor your child. You?re a big kid. Buy what
    you like."

    I went immediately to my whiteboard and wrote 100 "Hail
    Marys" - and I'm not even Catholic. Tip-toeing here, but did
    we not have our latte this morning?

    And, to me, not only are you a superb student of the market
    (and, for that matter, a purveyor of common sense), but
    some may say there really are psychic qualities at work -
    which, of course, scares the bejesus out of me

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    Kathy Kristof

    10/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Dear Nervous, sorry if that seemed cranky. Maybe I do need a
    latte...

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    samantha6566

    10/15/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Having been a life insurance agent for 7 years, investment advisor and registered rep (who never wanted to and never sold indexed annuity products) I can say that your acticle regarding the above sales pitch is somewhat factual and very harmful. While there are unscrupulous salespeople in insurance, there are unscrupulous salespeople all over the world, and heck there are just unscrupulous people in this world period. We are all big boys and girls and know better than to allow someone to gloss over our questions as if they had no meaning.

    Come on, isn't the cliche of the insurance sales person used up???? I mean, the reality is that most people who buy insurance and annuities have read up on the matter on CNN money, yahoo finance, Suze Orman, and numerous other "financial gurus", not to mention talked to their brother, cousin, neighbor, best friend, grandpa, child's teacher, priest, et al... Generally NONE of these people have an insurance license or have a clue about insurance except for the lousy life insurance policy Grandpa bought back in 1960 (or some other story about the one time....)and this, in 2009, is what they base their OPINION on and advice on....

    Then the person will consider the fact that recently the stock market tanked, but now it's over 10,000 so now its a good time to buy (incorrect--it was a great time to buy last year-- at the bottom!! who knows if now is a good time to buy!!)
    They've done all this before allowing the insurance person to step in their door and present their product which by the way is COMPANY specific.
    Can you guess who's on uneven ground? correct, it's both parties---- the potential buyer of the product because their mind has been clouded by some correct and often many inept opinions of others including your's (in your column today) where you espoused your opinion about insurance salespeople, further pushing along the notion that all insurance agents are trying to "dupe" you into buying a policy or product that couldn't be good for them. And, yes, the insurance agent is a loser here too, because they have only a limited period of time (1-3 hours at the most) to make their presentation, and overcome all the objections that the buyer has heard from all the above mentioned people.

    You should also understand, that generally insurance agents are not paid a salary (as you likely are), and quite often don't earn a "draw"... they make 100% commission and yes, if they don't sell, then they don't make money...but if they sell and the policy is returned, they also have to REPAY that comission. In addition, if the agent has a low retention rate or a lot of policies being returned or complaints to the company, the company will terminate its contract with said agent. Agent's can make a lot of money but and most of it comes from residuals after 5+ years and working extremely hard. As you can see, there are many reasons for the agent to be truthful and straighforward with their client.

    I am not condoning indexed annutities or the agents or companies who sell them.
    I condone open, factual information. When an agent delivers a policy, the agent should be reviewing the policy with the client. The client should also READ the policy, ask questions and call the insurance company if the agent glosses over any of the questions.

    Now, who would be the winner??? the big winner is the media, who espouses information that is somewhat factual, yet may lead one to believe that ALL insurance agents and companies are as presented in the one example listed in your column! That's just not so.... good luck to you.

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    Kathy Kristof

    10/15/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Hey, Samantha. I actually don't think that all insurance agents
    are crooks. I don't even necessarily think this guy is. What I
    think is that they are skilled sales people, who know how to get
    past your objections. I'm merely trying to let people know the
    formula, so they can recognize it and, instead of falling for the
    pitch, make a decision that's (hopefully) based on their needs.

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    Allan Roth

    10/15/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Kathy,

    What a great inside story of sales tactics! I've attended a few of these and the one thing in common is that they are all about sales and little concern for the consumer.

    I've never met an insurance salesperson who didn't believe he was a force for good. That includes those who sell the worst products.

    Great job!

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    Kathy Kristof

    10/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Thanks, Allan.

    I loved your $100,000 challenge. It's both disturbing and
    remarkable how many agents will lie to their customers, knowing
    that most people won't read (or understand) the contract.

    Glad you're out there keeping them honest.

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    IndexedAnnuity_Girl

    10/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    The following email was sent to Kathy Kristof at CBS MoneyWatch:

    Dear Kathy:

    I am an independent market research analyst who specializes exclusively in the indexed annuity (IA) and indexed life markets. I have tracked the companies, products, marketing, and sales of these products for over a decade. I used to provide similar services for fixed and variable products, but I believe so strongly in the value proposition of indexed products that I started my own company focusing on IAs exclusively. I do not endorse any company or financial product, and millions look to us for accurate, unbiased information on the insurance market. In fact, we are the firm that regulators look to, and work with, when needing assistance with these products.

    I recently had the occasion to read your blog, ?Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy.? While reading your blog, I noticed a number of inaccuracies. I wanted to reach out to you to assure that you properly understand these insurance products.

    First, indexed annuities have not been referred to as ?equity indexed annuities? since the late 1990?s. The insurance industry has been careful to enforce a standard of referring to the products as merely ?indexed annuities? or ?fixed indexed annuities,? so as not to confuse consumers. This industry wants to make a clear distinction between these fixed insurance products and equity investments. It is the safety and guarantees of these products which appeal to consumers, particularly during times of market downturns and volatility. Your help in avoiding any such confusion is so greatly appreciated.

    Indexed annuities are not a ?hybrid insurance product.? They are a fixed insurance product with principal protection, minimum guarantees, and the potential for greater interest than traditional fixed retirement products (such as fixed annuities and CDs).

    I would be interested to know your source for the information that indexed annuities pay commissions ?in the neighborhood of 7% to 14%.? In reality, there is not one single indexed annuity that pays a commission as high as 14% and the average commission for these products was only 6.43% for 3Q2009. Publishing such blatantly misleading and false information causes me to question your journalistic integrity, Ms. Kristof.

    Every single indexed annuity ever developed has returned ZERO to the client in the event of a market decline. This is a far different appeal that ?generally losing nothing.? To ensure that you properly understand how indexed annuities are intended to work, I would like to provide a brief overview. Indexed annuities are a ?safe money place,? which protect the purchaser?s original payment. These products should be compared against other safe money places. They are regulated by the 50 state insurance commissioners of the United States. Products like stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and variable annuities are ?risk money places,? where the client is subjected to both the highs and the lows of the market. These products are regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) because they are investments. It is inappropriate to compare any safe money place, such as an indexed annuity, to risk money places and it is most certainly not appropriate to compare safe money places to the market index itself. Indexed annuities are not intended to perform comparably to stocks, bonds, or the S&P 500 because they provide a minimum guarantee where investments do not. Indexed annuities are priced to return about 1% - 2% greater interest than traditional fixed annuities are crediting. In exchange for this greater potential, the indexed annuity has a slightly lesser minimum guarantee. So, if fixed annuities are earning 5% today, indexed annuities sold today should earn 6% - 7% over the life of the contract. Some years, the indexed annuity may return a double-digit gain and other years it may return zero interest. However, what is most likely to happen is something in between. All indexed interest on these annuities is limited through the use of a cap, participation rate, or spread. Were the indexed interest NOT limited, the insurer could not afford to offer a minimum guarantee on the product, and THAT is a variable annuity- not an indexed annuity. On the other hand, the client is guaranteed to never receive less than zero interest (a proposition that millions of Americans are wishing they had during the period of 03/08 to 03/09) and will receive a return of no less than 117% worst-case scenario on the average indexed annuity.

    You say that the ?gain can be paltry? on an indexed annuity. We have indexed annuities today that give the client the opportunity to receive a gain of 12.45% annually or more. I would hardly call this ?paltry.? Tack-on the fact that the client is NEVER at risk due to market downturns, and I would argue that indexed annuities are very attractive today.

    You argue that the ?insurance company usually has the right to determine? the rate passed on the client. Actually, the primary determinant of the rate passed on to the client on indexed annuities is option prices. Option prices are out of the control of the insurance company. The second largest determinant is market volatility which is also out of the control of the insurer.

    Despite your allusions that indexed annuity clients have their money locked-up, these products have generous liquidity provisions. The average surrender charge on an indexed annuity as of 2Q2009 was ten years. The average first-year penalty was 10.61%. The majority of these longer-term products were offered with a premium bonus, which provides an immediate boost to the client?s cash value. Longer surrender charges are necessary to appropriately price for such an incentive, but there are indexed annuities with surrender charges as short as one year and as low as 4.5%. Indexed annuities are some of the most flexible, liquid products available today. All indexed annuity purchasers are given access to 10% of their annuity?s value, annually, without being subject to surrender penalties (some even allow as much as 20% to be taken annually). In addition, 9 out of 10 indexed annuities provide a waiver of the surrender charges, should the purchaser need access to their money in events such as nursing home confinement, terminal illness, disability, and even unemployment. Couple this with the fact every one of these products pays the full account value to the beneficiary upon death, and I think you would have difficulty inferring that these products are illiquid.

    You are right- the annual reset provision of indexed annuities is valuable. When the market is low, the indexed annuity client is protected from further declines and they are also given the opportunity for tremendous gains when the market recovers. You might ?rather bet on stocks than a product that provides principal protection but? less upside, Ms. Kristof. However, millions of Americans cannot stomach the risk of losing 20% in stocks at the opportunity to earn 20%. Indexed annuities are a product that best-serves consumers who want a little greater return than CDs or fixed annuities and cannot stomach the losses of being invested directly in the market.

    Indexed annuities provide numerous benefits that you may be unaware of. Such benefits include, but are not limited to:

    1. No indexed annuity purchaser has lost a single dollar as a result of the market?s declines. Can you say the same for variable annuities? Stocks? Bonds? Mutual funds? NO.

    2. All indexed annuities return the premiums paid plus interest at the end of the annuity.

    3. Ability to defer taxes: you are not taxed on annuity, until you start withdrawing income.

    4. Reduce tax burden: accumulate your retirement funds now at a [35%] tax bracket, and take income at retirement within a [15%] tax bracket.

    5. Accumulate retirement income: annuities allow you to accumulate additional interest, above the premium you pay in. Plus, you accumulate interest on your interest, and interest on the money you would have paid in taxes. (Frequently referred to as ?triple compounding.?)

    6. Provide a death benefit to heirs: all indexed annuities pay the full account value to your beneficiaries upon death.

    7. Access money when you need it: indexed annuities allow annual penalty-free withdrawals of the account value, typically at 10% of the annuity?s value (although some products permit as much as 20% of the value to be taken without penalty). In addition, 9 out of 10 indexed annuities permit access to the annuity?s value without penalty, in the event of triggers such as nursing home confinement, terminal illness, disability, and even unemployment.

    8. Get a boost on your retirement: many indexed annuities provide an up-front premium bonus, which can provide an instant boost on your annuity?s value. This can increase the annuity?s value in addition to helping with the accumulation on the contract.

    In closing, I agree with you completely that your readers should understand the risks and rewards of indexed annuities and other products. They should also understand the techniques being used to sell products to them. You may also suggest that your readers purchase something other than an indexed annuity, but I would suggest that you do not understand them well enough to advise for OR against indexed annuities. Further proof of this is your allusion to Alan Roth?s post about his $100,000 challenge which is about a product other than indexed annuities. Sounds like you should leave the commentary on insurance products to the insurance folks and stick with investments, Ms. Kristof.

    Should you ever have a need for reliable, accurate information on indexed annuities- please do not hesitate to reach out to my firm. Thank you.

    Sheryl J. Moore
    President and CEO
    LifeSpecs.com
    AnnuitySpecs.com
    Advantage Group Associates, Inc.
    (515) 262-2623 office
    (515) 313-5799 cell
    (515) 266-4689 fax

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    Kathy Kristof

    10/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Thanks, Sheryl. But what you see as inaccuracies, I see as a
    way to explain a complicated product in a way that people can
    understand it without getting lost in the details.
    As for the commissions, I know what they're offering because I
    get the agent emails--as I mentioned here. Yes, there are
    indexed annuities that offer 14% commissions.

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    scottbannon

    01/12/10 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Kathy,
    I have read the above comments. And, I am new to the financial industry. I am getting into this profession for several reasons of which I will only talk about one in this post. That one being income/commissions. While researching various companies that I may want to work for, I have only found companies that pay between 5% and 8% commissions on annuities, either indexed or fixed. That being said, I would like to hear about a company, or companies, that pays 14%. As you know, I am like everybody else. I want to earn as much as I can for the work I do. Also, like most salespeople I know, I want to earn those commissions honestly, ethically and morally. As long as I am providing the best service and products to my clients to help them achieve their goals I would like to earn as much as I possibly can also.

    You can send the information to scottbannon@hotmail.com

    Respectfully,
    Scott

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    Kathy Kristof

    01/13/10 | Report as spam

    RE: Inside Secrets: How Insurance Agents Get You to Buy

    Scott, if you want to act in an ethical manner, you don't sell a
    product that has a 14% commission, because that commission
    comes out of your client's pocket.

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Kathy Kristof

Kathy Kristof is a syndicated personal finance columnist, speaker and author of three books, including the recently updated Investing 101 (Bloomberg, 2008).

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