Lynn O'Shaughnessy

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Guess Who’s the Dumbest Generation

By Lynn O'Shaughnessy | Oct 2, 2009 |

Apparently, I’ve raised a couple of members of America’s dumbest generation.

I would tell my two teenagers that they belong to the dumbest generation if I could only get their full attention. They are often too busy texting, instant messaging, watching weird You Tube videos or playing with iPod apps to have an old-fashioned sit down with their mom.

And that, according to Emory professor Mark Bauerlein, who has tarred the iPod generation with the dumbest honors, is the problem.

While parents gripe about these electronic addictions, Bauerlein, who is author of The Dumbest Generation:  How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future, warns that these digital distractions whittle away at the intellect of teens and twenty-somethings and could also jeopardize their success in the workplace.

Now you might dismiss this as whining from a pedantic English prof, but some of the statistics are alarming. The average American youth apparently reads no more than eight minutes a day, but according to Nielsen Mobile they send an average of 2,272 text messages a month.

When a teenager is watching someone stuff a bag of marshmallows in his mouth on You Tube, he’s obviously not learning about the Gettysburg Address or following what’s going on with the health care debate. But Bauerlein warns that stunted intellectual curiosity isn’t the only causality.

Since so much of young Americans’ communication is done electronically, they struggle with reading verbal cues. Maybe you can tolerate this, but the boss at your kid’s first job probably won’t.

“We live in a culture where young people — outfitted with phone and laptop and devoting hours every evening from age 10 onward to messaging of one kind and another — are ever less likely to develop the ’silent fluency’ that comes from face-to face interaction,” Bauerlein writes. “It is a skill that we all must learn, in actual social settings, from people (often older) who are adept in the idiom. As text-centered messaging increases, such occasions diminish…when it comes to their capacity to ‘read’ the behavior of others, they are all thumbs.”

Now that’s depressing.

 
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    Toasst

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Another parent whining about how much time their kids spend on machines? Tell me.. Who raised these kids? Who disciplines these kids? Who bought them their computers and their phones?

    You did. The previous generation. YOU made the conscious decision to spoil them with more crap and less hard work, they just let you raise them like they are supposed to.

    If you really ask me who the "dumbest" generation is, I'd say it's you. It's like all of a sudden people forgot how to raise a kid. You just point the blame at them as if it was their job to raise themselves into fine young men and women. Well, look at that! It's not their job; it's yours.

    So get off your lazy ass and take your kid's phone away, if you really think it's such a big deal. Problem solved. I'd expect an English Professor to employ a bit more common sense than this.

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    Toasst

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Second read through I realize you weren't referring to yourself with the Eng Prof thing, but your bio doesn't exactly let you off the hook either.

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    kappazackie

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    Who wants burnt toast?

    Toasst, you bring up a fair point. But it's NOT about the mom, it's about the kids, she's right, her kids are messed. With the technology coming out, and future sights of augmented realites, it can make us become more anti-social and lazy, if we choose to be. But parents should play a role in reminding them what the paths they take will have to offer, and in this case, not as much as they could get if they didn't stick their face in the screen any chance they get.

    So the dumbest generation, I would have to say is, the kids. You bring up an interesting point toasst, but the parent can only do too much, taking away her kids cellphones and whatever they have that distracts them from being social and active can have some pretty weird side effects, such as flipping out (as if they got WOW taken away from them, lol those people are pathetic) and major depression issues. But it would be better for them to learn their own mistakes after the warnings from their mom.

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    Trueno07

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    What are you trying to tell me (a member of this dumb generation)? Should i just close the browser window and give up now? Should i drop out of college, forget Chemical Engineering, and go back to texting my friends, and browsing youtube?

    What defines a "Dumb Generation", and what turn of events, what amount time spent studying health care reform, what kind of perfect storm would it take to spin my generation around on it's heels and send us walking in the right direction towards the title of "smartest generation."

    Now, i'm not trying to dismiss the importance of the social skills mentioned in your article, let me make that clear. But do you have any advice to give to my dumb generation?

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    CatAtomic

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I'm a 43 year old man myself, but I find it hilarious that another member of the "Me" generation could actually condemn today's youngsters of being intellectually lazy, self-absorbed, or stupid.

    These kids are inheriting a world of hardships their parents brought on with their own shallow self-indulgence. Only the self-obsessed and endlessly self-congratulatory Baby Boomers could summon up this kind of hypocritical arrogance.

    Yes, your kids are poorly educated and seeking escape from reality. That says more about you than it says about your children.

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    Ciceronius

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    "The average American youth apparently reads no more than eight minutes a day, but according to Nielsen Mobile they send an average of 2,272 text messages a month."

    Is this the kind of criteria that you use for determining the dumbest generation? I'm confused as to whether this article is supposed to be playful, or relevant. It's definitely not the latter.

    "When a teenager is watching someone stuff a bag of marshmallows in his mouth on You Tube, he?s obviously not learning about the Gettysburg Address or following what?s going on with the health care debate. But Bauerlein warns that stunted intellectual curiosity isn?t the only causality."

    Well, when I was a teenager, I didn't have You Tube... but I wasn't exactly learning about the Gettysburg Address on my Friday nights either. You make it seem like that's the only alternative to watching You Tube.

    Did you learn about the Gettysburg Address in your free-time? Well, I wouldn't say that you necessarily ended up as Einstein either.

    "...are ever less likely to develop the ?silent fluency? that comes from face-to face interaction."

    I don't see why people are under the impression that there's less human interaction because of technology. I don't say to my friends: "Oh that's right, we have the texting... Yeah, let's not hangout or go to lunch."

    Toasst hit the nail right on the head. No matter how advanced technology gets, you'll still have to put time and effort into raising your own kids.

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    blueyoshi579@...

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    But Bauerlein warns that stunted intellectual curiosity isn?t
    the only causality.


    Before you go around insulting the intelligence of others, please
    make sure that you know the meanings of words you use.
    You're looking for casualty, as in that which has been lost.

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    TheLaughingMan

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Sure, why not. I'm an idiot. I'm not more informed that I ever could have been before the internet because of the wealth of news and information. I never use the internet to look up science related material to help me with my homework. I'm not able to use a mass text to quickly get an important message out to a large number of people.

    You're right all I do all day is watch stupid youtube videos and text my friends about the latest celebrity bull crap.

    ...

    I swear old people are always out to get teenagers. It's always one stupid thing or another. It used to be music, then video games, and now phones and the internet.

    The truth is that teenagers are more informed about the world than they ever were before now. In the past all people had was a single view from the newspaper and one other view from television news. Now with the internet they can see every side of a story to help them come to an informed decision.

    Teenagers also have more access to scholarly material than ever. You talk about the Gettysburg Address. Be honest, how many teenagers ever cared about the Gettysburg Address, not many. BUT the ones that do care about it can learn more about it than they ever could have before now. People used to have to dig through books upon books at a library to get a few essays on it. Now they have access to the largest information base that has ever existed to find many relivant articles on the Gettysburg Address.

    Another thing. Kids still get a lot of face to face social interaction. They still hang out at lunch and after class. The only difference is that they keep interacting with each other after they go home.

    People always seem to take the extremes as the norm. I guess it is because it makes things more exciting.

    Maybe I am wrong, because, as you know, I am an idiot from the dumbest generation.

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    TheLaughingMan

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Another thing, averages can be highly missleading. Say you take 6 random kids, One sends 10000 text messages in a month (it happens) and the rest send 300 in that same month (10 a day). That averages out to be just under 2,000 text messages a month per kid. seems kind of skewed doesn't it? I want to know what the median number of text messages a month is.

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    Trueno07

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I guess every generation gets their share of crap from the previous generations, i mean wasn't rock and roll considered the devil for the longest time?

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    Marc_B

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Same general complaints from generation to generation, only the specifics change. Every single complaint made about this generation was equally valid of the last: students weren't focused on schoolwork, distracted by the random diversions of the day, oversocializing, etc, etc. Human nature has barely changed over the past thousand years, frankly.

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    OnionWarrior

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I'm sick of this kind of crap. The current generation is
    perfectly fine. Just because I can't recite the Gettysburg
    Address from memory doesn't make me a moron. People like
    the author and that Professor make me sick. I'm well on my
    way to being a damned doctor and my friends are training to
    be engineers and lawyers and scientists, but these old, jaded
    fools have the gall to call us the dumbest generation? Well
    fine then. How about I just drop out of college so you can
    validate your point? Just don't come crying to me ten or
    fifteen years from now when you're sick and you want help,
    because when you ignorant asshats do, I'm going to look you
    square in the eye and tell you "Oh, sorry. You called my
    entire generation a shuffling conglomerate of stupid techno-
    cattle. Clearly I'm not fit to help you in your time of need."

    Take your head out of your ass and look at the world without
    your nostalgia goggles. My generation is going to push the
    world forward into a new age of scientific and cultural
    advancement, just like yours did when it was your time. All
    you need to do is stop pissing an moaning about us and give
    us a chance to get out of the gate.

    You say we're not being educated as well as we should, but
    whose fault is that? Which generation is currently in the
    ruling position,filling the schools, colleges, and government?
    It's you. You try to make things better for yourselves and
    you ruin things for us in the process. Why are you spending
    money to bolster failing corporations and to feed fuel to a
    war that isn't accomplishing anything but killing people? You
    should be giving that money to our schools and colleges that
    are bringing my generation into the fold.

    If you couldn't be bothered to read all that, then I'll
    summarize it for you: Everything you claim is wrong with my
    generation is rooted in the selfishness and arrogance of
    yours. We're picking up the pieces of a shattered world that
    you left behind and making the best we can out of it.

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    Jasong32

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    As a 19 year old I guess i should try to defend my generation from being labeled the "dumbest" by yours. I embrace technology and know how to use it though i can honestly say i have never texted, i prefer to talk to people in person, one on one. In my college classes, a majority of the students in some of my classes are members of your generation who did not capitalize on chances they had to further their education and some of who have no idea how to even the most basic of functions on a computer. That is both dumb and ignorant to me. If this generation is truly dumb, then your generation is composed of absolute dumb-asses.

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    ZachH

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    When I worked in the tech support department at work. I dealt with people who mostly ranged in the ages of 45-65 (pretty much Lynn and Marks generation). These people could not follow anything I was saying, I had to dumb down what i was saying so they could follow. I even had to explain what an "icon" was on the desktop. Oh yeah I even had to explain what the "desktop" was. Most people looked around on their actual desktop for this magical icon item. And you have the gall to call us dumb?

    I had this one person on the phone with internet connectivity issues. As I was going through the troubleshooting steps I could here this voice in the background. When I said click on the start button I heard "click there." I then said click "My Computer" and all I got from the person on the phone was "uhhhhh" while the voice in the background "Click here." I decided to ask who was there with him. "Oh its my son Timmy." "Could you maybe put Timmy on the phone?" I said. "Umm, sure." So me and Timmy fix his Dads problem in less time then it took his Dad to get to My Computer window. I asked how old Timmy was to which he replies "I'm 10."

    Technology is the way of the future. Its gonna be for a long time. And this generation, my generation, is well off. So what we don't know the Gettysburg Address or the US Constitution or even the number of Amendments but I bet I could find out in about 5 minutes.

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    fooproof

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    "Take your head out of your ass and look at the world without
    your nostalgia goggles. My generation is going to push the
    world forward into a new age of scientific and cultural
    advancement, just like yours did when it was your time." - OnionWarrior

    Hahaha, nostalgia goggles! A man after my own heart. But in all retrospect you need to take this article at face value, my future colleague. Like you already mentioned it is only natural that each new generation will outdo the last... if only because they built on the already existing accumulated knowledge.

    As people get older they tend to resist the ever changing world, mostly because every sane person wants to be young forever. This could be an unconscious reflex in trying to resist aging. People lie to themselves in order to come to terms with inevitable death, but no one truly wants to die (unless they face a miserable existence).

    Hence people start to view the world through "nostalgia goggles" looking back at the good old times! If they stop to think as to why it was "good old times" they'd realize it was only so because they were younger.

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    Kyrus

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
    -Socrates

    Complaining about "kids these days" seems to be a recurring theme throughout history, but oddly enough, the children and teenagers who are so LAZY and STUPID manage to grow up into adults and run the world without doing any worse of a job than their parents did.

    Of course, adults can rarely believe that because they can't comprehend their children possibly being any different than they are. Children aren't reading books(which is what I assume the article means by "The average American youth apparently reads no more than eight minutes a day")? They must be stupid! Nevermind that books aren't all they're hyped up to be by the echos of a generation where reading was basically the ONLY entertainment option that was cheap and easily available at all times(and I like reading, I'm just bright enough to understand that there's nothing inheritantly superior about getting information from a physical book instead of getting the same information from a web page, an e-book, an informational video, a blog post, or an online newspaper article).

    Teens are texting? How dare they take advantage of a new communication medium! Well, they're obviously never talking face-to-face, so at least the adults will get the last laugh when this generation enters the work force and can't read basic nonverbal cues like smiles and frowns! Teens are watching things for fun instead of learning new things all the time? Well, in MY day, once we got out of school for the day, we headed straight to the library to learn even more important knowledge, and we never goofed off!

    As a 19(almost 20) year old, I've seen plenty of stupidity from my generation...but I've also seen plenty of stupidity from older generations! Imagine that! This book is a prime example of idiocy from previous generations. There are clearly those of you out there who think that a book titled "The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future(Or, Don't Trust Anyone Under 30)" should be taken seriously, and you obviously haven't been exposed to enough groundless SHOCK! HORROR! DESPAIR! stories to see right through the sort of wording they use.

    Of course, the author is just as much to blame since he's feeding into other peoples' "kids these days will ruin society!" complexes. I'd be very interested to see the methods used to determine such alarming statistics as "teens only read EIGHT MINUTES A DAY!" and "youths these days can't read NONVERBAL CUES!". Have there been multiple studies on these things? If not, why are we trusting a mere one study? Is the study from a reputable source? Was the study conducted in a proper scientific fashion? Are people, young and old, even thinking about these things when they blindly repeat alarming new stastics they hear?


    Finally...I love it when adults never realize that they're the ones ultimately responsible for how kids and teenagers act. Who are the ones raising them? Who are the ones who inventing cell phones and text messaging? Who are the ones who let these youths sit in front of the TV or computer all day? Who are the ones who moved into cookie-cutter suburbia that prevents youths from actually experiencing life? Hm, I wonder...

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    Lisandro_v22

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    me

    You associate the state of America's youth with modern technology instead of the actual state of education, maybe you fail to realise that America isn't the only country with cellphones and computers just compare an American teenager with one from Finland with it's robust educational system, I bet they send both send those 2000sms a month

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    Trueno07

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I don't know about you other members of the dumb generation, but i haven't even come CLOSE to 2,000 texts a month.

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    YaSealedWeh

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    As much as I hate the show Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader, I have to say, the subject matter used on the show is most definitely at a higher level than when I was in 5th grade. Helping my younger siblings with homework reinforces the fact that children are learning at a much faster pace than I did only a decade or two ago. Shame on you Lynn for propagating a stereotype that has been handed down throughout history without looking in additional sources of information. How about we compare information accumulation of standardized testing for the past 30 years and see who's ahead at the moment?

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    Mr Eing

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    This is way off, the anti-social kids who spend loads of time on sites like Myspace instead of outside are usually the more intelligent ones, thus the reason WHY they are anti-social. At school you have a bunch of idiots who tell their teachers to shut up and act obnoxious and do everything in their power to not learn, THESE are the kids that have a lot of friends and are popular...why? Because it is true that this is the dumbest generation out there so whether you experiance them (us) in your day to day life or not its pretty easy to figure out that the majority of them are going to be idiots. Now the phones...well I have to agree on this part. Kids who spend most of their time on Myspace are anti-social because they arent popular at school, because for the most part they are more intelligent and thus are "nerds" or "geeks" and dont have many friends. Myspace or Facebook is held for friends to have actual conversations with each other. Phones are something used to make school less boring and for quick messages, they dont need online conversations because their stupidity makes them popular and they can have a real conversation whenever they want because unlike the anti-social internet lovers they have confidence because they have a lot of stupid friends. Phones are way worse than the internet, people who go on the internet are usually there because they are to shy to actually meet people or have to low confidence. 9 times out of 10 kids only call or text each other because they CANT see each other at the moment. Sure a lot of teens have Myspace but if you actually look they rarely ever go on, I would they most go on once a week if even that. I think kids need to be more isolated, when they are in a group they start doing drugs and influence each other to be bad.

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    jtschmitz

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Whoops. Looks like I fit the bill regarding this story. I stopped doing my programing assignment to spend five minutes reading this, I seem to be destined to fail out of college... I am a 22 year old married with a child. I am also attending school full time, own my own computer business, and work part-time. I could go on but I according to this lovely story I should just give up. I get my news in digital form, I text my friends, and I can not recite the Gettysburg Address.

    What I find most appalling about this and the book that propagated it, are the gross assumptions made about digital media. How much would it cost you to learn about derivatives? Would you attend college, buy a book, or get a tutor? Well there are literally hundreds of "weird" video on You-tube that can tell you how to exactly that. Need help with integrals? Programming a macro? Or reciting the Gettysburg Address? Guess what, you can find all of these and more on this mysterious You-tube place.

    Since statistics seem to make up the whole of the logical universe, here is one for you: A report published by the National Center for Education Statistics shows that the number of college graduates is steadily increasing had has been doing so for over the past 100 years! In fact the number of graduates from 1970 to 2000 nearly doubled! Obviously having a college degree does not make you smart, but it seems more and more of us are educated.

    Quit pointing your finger and look around. It's time to realize that your sons are probably smarter than you, I doubt they are as closed minded, and knowing how to use the technology that surrounds us all does not make us dumb.

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    WiMiVo

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Eh, solipsistic old farts desperately trying to protect their egos as they become increasingly irrelevant in an age they struggle to understand. Nothing new here.

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    Archlvt

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    A 10 year old would have to be running for the pope to choose manual labour and reading over playing video games, texting and other such things.

    People from older generations spoil their kids, lie about drugs, homeschool their kids (completely butchering your kids social life which, in my opinion, consists of at least half of the important skills learned in a public school. It's not ALL about the books).

    Instead of teaching them how to use a lawn mower, you stick a game console infront of them to shut them up. Instead of giving them small allowances to show them that every penny counts, you throw iPhones and laptops at them.

    I would have to say that the older generation was the "stupid" generation. The current generation is just a RESULT of the last, stupid generation. The kids of today are products of your stupidity.

    If you overcook your brownies for an hour, is it the brownie's fault that it tastes bad? Because you lady, are blaming the brownie.

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    Drakore244

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I would have to call this poorly written piece an opinion paper, one based in almost no facts. I am a member of this so called dumbest generation, do i text, IM, play video games, use youtube, google, and MP3 players? Yes nearly everyday. Am i unable to hold valid conversation? Not in the slightest. toasst had valid points, if the 'me" generation is so upset with how we have turned out, then tough luck, either get off your lazy ass, or deal with it. I can still maintain a 90% average in math, 98% in bio, 96% in english and a solid 'A" in all other college coarses. Perhaps the only think i have noticed is that i will sometimes make a few spelling errors if i don't look over the subject a second time, though who doesn't?

    I agree that all these city folks who give thier 9 year olds cell phones and laptops are gearing up for antisocial kids, but really, i spent most of my free time until college in the woods, mountain biking, hiking, building things in the back yard, all the "normal' activities. parents just need to realize that they need to guide kids to a healthy life.

    As for education, our generation in massively more educated, want to learn some complex math problems, chemical equations and properties, how to replace a carb in you 79 mustang? Well there is this invention, which as stated by a member of your generation, Dick Cheney, is a series of tubes that run across the countryside... on this "internet" you can fine You-tube, a sight with millions of videos that can teach you high level facts and information, for free. Even in the traditional public education system, i was doing math in grade 8 that my mother and father just started in grade 12 and beyond. Even when i look at the homework of a 6th or 7th grader now, having only graduated, i can still easily do the work, though even in that small of a gap, i see thier work getting harder then what i was taught. There is algebra in grade 6. I believe our generation is more educated, and your generation just can't deal with its own faults in parent hood, and comparative gross undereducation.

    Keep in mind this is only the opinion or, appearently, a complete and total idiot.

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    kkr_007@...

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    The US has some of the worst school systems in the world even though they are one of the top 3 richest countries. If you guys spent more time and money on educating your kids and health care and less time trying to police the world and tell them how they should think, maybe this generation wouldn't be the dumbest generation. Look at China, while I don't agree with all of what they do and how they can treat some of their citizens, their elementary school children learn more then highschool students do in the US. Most of these technological advances have come from China. I know a fair amount of people from the baby boomers and older generation that can't even read or do math, at least people from the so called "ipod age" can read and write. As for the lack of people skills, i do agree that this is very important and that alot of kids could be better at that, but these lack of people skills come from the kids that play video games all day long. The only way these kids can do that is to have their parents buy the consoles for them and not give them a time limit on how much they can play. I am a 23 year old electrical engineering student who has played many of video games in my day and still do, but I have also spent a good deal of time interacting with people. Dare I say I have excellent people skills and can pick up on verbal cues better then most. Am I lucky? or blessed with these skills? No I don't believe so, I am just a product of good parenting and good schooling. By the way I am from Canada.

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    Mr Eing

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    Ya schools do need more money, I mean for crying out loud I live in CA and I know that our prisons get more money than schoools....still I can sorta understand why they are reluctant to give schools money. Kids just waste it for the most part. You give them the chance to learn and not only do they blow it, they try to ruin it for everyone else. The older generation is only partially to blame for kids behaivior, you can raise a kid in the best way imaginable and have a wondeful kid but no matter what you do the other kids are going to have way more of an influence than you. This is why I think kids should be forbidden to speak to each other at school, they should only be allowed to talk to the teacher. This will solve some of the bad influence, I also think they should put more strict corporal punishment back in school. I would even consider whipping, not enough to bleed but enough to cause them great pain.

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    nachopie7

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    hmm... so are we really the dumb generation.
    What generation has a hard time operating computers and electronics in this day and age? and what generation has to help..ya thats right. Our generation knows how to operate electronics better than the former one.
    im 19 and I always have to help an elder with a computer or phone.

    its because we use electronics so much that we know how to use it. I mean the worlds electronics are only going to grow so the only way to be successful is to become familar with it.
    just because times changed dosnt mean its horrible.. its just diffrent.

    Video games today take alot of reading mostly RPGs. So how come reading a video game isnt gaining knowledge like reading a book? Isnt the same thing? A fantasy world with fictional characters? sounds the same except one is interactive? I guess the older people are saying if your having fun your not learning

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Video games take a lot of reading eh? We ya if your playing something like Zelda or Okami, or Paper Mario. But these are the "Kiddie" games that very few teenagers play. They are more likely to play stuff like Halo or Prince of Persia which has voice acting. True teenagers know how to use technology better than the former generation, but not in any way useful.

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    nachopie7

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    actually every one plays the games u just listed u couldnt be more wrong. my brothers 10 and hes beat all the paper marios and a couple of zeldas.
    it can be true about younger ones only playing the games that are just eyecandy but those games teach good hand eye coordination(mostly).

    well about every RPG has u reading through the whole game no matter what it is. Its cause of video games i can read so fast.

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    Split_Infinity

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    Every generation says the next generation is dumb, its been going on forever, we need the wisdom and foresight to know that each generation has something to contribute and we may not understand it because we're from a different one. I'm gen X, everyone said were stupid depressed idiots, but in fact we're driving innovation and the job force now - so much for the opinion of the previous generation.

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    muteinvert

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    I'll just say that the the kind of people that are of the
    generation in question and read articles on this website are the
    ones most likely to be offended and reply. In other words, the
    distribution of intelligence shown in these comments is not
    necessarily indicative of that of the whole generation, so don't
    be personally offended. These are just stats, you can take them
    as you please.

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    Dakitten

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    I must re emphasize what has already been said by Toasst. It is the parents who buy these devices. I am a teen myself. I received my first cell phone my freshmen year in high school with NO TEXT message plan. And to those who are now saying oh well when did you get it, the next year? NO I got it my SENIOR year with the MINIMUM text plan (400 text) so that all the random text that was sent to me by those who were not trained the way I was would not cost us. To add to your disbelief I did not have my first gaming system till I was 13 and that was a pokemon red and yellow game on gameboy color that got old real quick in a world that was already starting to discover the PS2. I didnt get another system till I was in middle school, and what did I get? a N64! did I mention that GC GBA and PS2's where starting to be considered old when I got it? And another wonderful add on is that I have had dial-up for the past ETERNITY of my life. For those of us who have spoiled ourselves let me spell that out, I can not use youtube. Its way to slow and not worth the stop and go action and un definable verbal translation. Oh did I mention I run on a win. 98? That was upgraded from DOS.
    So, let me tell you something, It is not my fault or my generations fault for the way you raised your children and I hope that people reading this will get a clue. If its one thing I have learned its this, I am the child THEY (my parents) are the adult. They brought me in this world and they can take me out. My parents made the hard decision to raise me on the old style way. When I was board, I went to the library and got a book. I had my first library card by the time I hit the 4th grade. and probably earlier than that, I just don't remember much of anything 4th grade and earlier. If you dont like your child being addicted to a phone, why buy it? I was so GRATEFUL when I finally got a cell phone people thought I was insane. I was overly happy about a cell phone that I could barely use. why? I had not text plan and 500 mins a month between me AND my mom. thats why.and by the second or third year I had my plan my dad was added and we still had 500 mins to share between 3 people. I didn't use any mins because I didn't want it to be my fault when the mins rolled over, and they've never rolled over but once and it was not on my account. Your children are what you make them. Train a child right and they will never stray from it. Some of you may say my parents went over board, fine do it your way and stop complaining. I might not have liked never having good tech. but I liked having a car by the time I was 16. And my parents ruled that as much as they ruled everything else. Im to go to school and back. Where ever I go they have to know where and how long. and if I dare do something stupid that car would not be mines to drive no more. yea, its a 1992 car but guess what, its gets me from point A to point B and you can call that part of MY training from my parents. Tech. is here to help you. use it wisely or don't, that is your decision. I don't hear you complaining about weather DDR(which is REALLY good exercise), or physical therapy games on the Wii, or learning websites or calculators. they are all here to convince us. you just have to use it in the way that best fits you. you complain about you tube but you could watch episodes on youtube and cancel you service with Cable. did I mention I don't have cable tv either?
    and to kappazackie: You are wrong. How is the child suppose to get what thier parents do not provide? and you start talking about "side effects". the biggest thing a child needs is love and support. even teens need that. All my major depression issues came from the world, not the fact that I didnt have technology. Even now, I worry what happens if I cant find a job? what will I do about healthcare? what do I do when Im no longer covered under my parents? and no job...oh no! Im not saying, woe is me. my computer is lagging...I dont have fast internet. Im so depressed becuase I dont have that shiney 300 dollar ps3 that is just...SHINEY! uh, no. okay? good. one thing you have right is that we are the dumbist generation but whos fault is it that 90% of my generation cant get by for an hour without picking up thier cell phone just to look at it. rather someone is calling or not. we have so many problems becuase no one has ever told them this is a problem, and no one has tried to fix it themselves. instead all the parents gossip and complain to eachother. I know it for I see my mother do it. she complains that I dont get A's or that I dont do enough around the house. that I'd rather read a book or study, ANYTHING but clean up or "help around the house".and to refer to your :slipping out effect" what is there to flip out over something you never had. you cant miss what you don't get. you can complain about the grass looking greener on the other side but then you can say, do you think you have earned it? when you EARN my trust you my get a cell phone. and it doesn't have to have unlimited text so that they can jump off into the abyss of non-verbal messaging. and if you have ATT unlike me, all the text sent to the phone are free, you only pay for the outgoing. I agree with CatAtomic, What your kids are says something about YOU. just as the friends you keep will say something about you.
    to true007: *nods agreeably* Truly, a good question.
    to TheLaughingMan: You also bring up a point I didn't think about. "It used to be music, then video games, and now phones and the internet." I remember my parents not allowing my to have a radio until I was 13 or so. well between you and me, what do you think is next?
    to OnionWarrior: amazing word usage 0.o they need to teach me some of that in my college, oh wait thats what happens when your stuck in community. you don't learn stuff like that. well thats what happens when you parents refuse to pay for SAT scores. goes to show how much power the PARENT has. can bring you up, or bring you down.
    to Jasong32: *giggle* your right, I remember someone coming to me, from the authors generation might I add, asking me how to save a word document -.- all I could say was w-o-w when I saw the librarian couldn't figure it out either and I, being upset by the noise walked over took the mouse in hand and saved it all in but 15 seconds. they looked on at me as if I had performed a miracle -.-
    to Mr Eing: really? we don't know how to use the internet for anything useful? I'd say using it right now to express what I feel and think is useful. as I recall that is a right given to me by the constitution and if I had the patience to wait on my dail up id open up yahoo right now and figure out the exact amendment it was that gives freedom of speech. and to just let you know there are some college classes I have that I can not pass without the internet. why? because the homework is ONLINE. and how do you think we do research papers to ENGLISH classes. we don't go to a graveyard full of newspapers thats for sure! and as a girl who LOVES games I am SURRONDED my friends who do as well. EVERY person in my generation who calls themselves a gammer has played MULTIPLE zelda games. and anyone in my generation who simple looks for a good game or loves playing games has played a zelda game. personally Ive played one and Im hoping to convince my parents to let me get another zelda game soon. and I also want Okami, I love RPG. I am impressed that you know a few games and the fact you do shows you have played your way around a few systems for not everyone knows of okami. and while everyone knows of mario you specifically named paper mario. hmmm, seems like you are participating in the very things your generation is calling mines dumb for? when you get out there you will realize that games like final fantasy takes a GOOD brain to finish. so many puzzles, so many story twist. I am playing one game again just to understand the story line better, Its called Tales of Symphoina for those of you who are into the gaming world. Playing the game version is a lot more challenging that picking up a manga book and reading the story itself. And the last time I checked, In my generation we might love movies but when it comes to creating a book into a movie we can be quite livid. Hollywood gets it so wrong. but how would we know? oh I guess we read the book, but I guess thats hard for you to believe, that us a dumb generation would prefer to read a book instead of walking into a theater.
    ---I will leave my post at this for now. It is 2:30 am and I started reading all of these ridiculous words of offensive discrimination that I can only call or sum up as craptastic at 12pm I found this when I was just about to log off the internet after reading up on new tech. and carers. another thing that must be very hard for you, Mrs.Shaughnessy, to believe. but I intend to come back, so comment all as you please and I will reply.

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    HDCamel

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    1st of all, there is no health care debate because the health care plan that is being proposed is completely stupid and economically impossible. A product of the baby boomers' faulty education and reasoning. If you can't afford health care because you made stupid investments in the past then its your fault and you should have to take responsibility, not the government.
    2nd, the very fact that this article is being digitally distributed renders its points almost entirely null and void. Perhaps the older generations are unfamiliar with the concept of hypocrisy.
    3rd, saying that parents are at fault for buying devices is also dumb because most of the people that I know who have these electronic devices purchased them themselves and pay for their own plans. You also can't say that parents are failing to teach their children the importance of face-to-face communication because face-to-face communication is less important than it used to be. Furthermore, text-based communication, because of decreased use of inflections and no body language to work with, forces readers to apply more scrutiny to the meaning behind those words.
    I must direct a question to the elders now. How is texting back and forth any different from the hours long conversations you people used to have with your friends, families, lovers, etc. back in your own teenage years? All you did was waste time with an inefficient communication method. I challenge any of you to go to a legitimate forum on the internet. It's like having a deep philosophical conversation with hundreds of people at the same time, except with the ability to keep track of everything that is said.
    The fact of the matter is that the older generations are too obsessed with what their mommy and daddy and teacher told them oh-so-many-years-ago. I'm basically saying that you guys need to grow up and actually think about the world around you. I know you guys aren't used to such activities, but just give it a try. Who knows, you might like it.
    Ours is a generation like no other before it. Information is always at our fingertips. History shows a precedent of a direct correlation (not necessarily causation before someone tries to call me on that. I know about statistics) between the amount of information available and the number of educated people. It started with the Gutenberg Press which could produce a few books everyday and distribute them across a city in a month or two. Baby-boomers grew up when huge factories produced hundreds of books in an hour and distributed them across the country in a couple of weeks. We now live in an age where one person with a computer can produce an effectively infinite number of books (digitally of course) and distribute it to the entire world in 10 seconds. Schools across the world have access to libraries on the other side of the globe. People in other countries and from other cultures can directly interact with one another through chats and forums offering their unique opinions when before they would have remained unheard. And you say that WE are the dumb ones.

    Game, set, and match.

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    Mr Eing

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    Read my post again, or are you saying 10 years old is a teenager? Sure 10 years old is still the new generation but I think this was more aimed at teens from the new generation. As for the old generation being called pathetic when they were kids...well thats true! I mean just look at how bad they did, we got George Bush Jr. for starters oh and let me bring out the "its the parents fault" argument again, yes the previous generation wasnt good either, still I would say for the most part we are worse. The new generation has been posting here and what your looking at is likely to be the best of the new generation because most people from it consider reading a waste of time and dont use the internet for this purpose. To a teenager the internet is only good for

    Youtube

    Messaging (though the phone is used much much more)

    Online flirting

    Porn (empathize this one)

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    smartazjb0y

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    As a 16 year old member of this "dumbest generation," I find this article ridiculous. If you want to say that we are the dumbest generation, measure something THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE. Saying that our generation is dumb because we use technology is as good as saying we're the dumbest generation because refrigerators exist. If you want to measure intelligence, measure things that relate to intelligence. Since you "adults" can't seem to get that, I'll give you a hint: maybe you'd get more concrete data from looking at graduation rates, courses taken in high school and universities, percent of people attending college and university, etc.

    Saying technology leads to stupid kids is absurd. So are you saying that teens today are dumber just because they can find what they need online instead of walking to a library and finding a book that has the exact same information? Technology isn't all games and Facebook, there's a lot more information on the internet. It's an enormous resource that has loads of information, like a library. It's many times easier to use than perhaps a library, and offers even more information. This article pretty much has no concrete evidence and only gives a stereotype against teenagers and technology.

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    Mr Eing

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    That's actually cmon knowledge, there are more drop outs less graduates and less students for college, this is merely explaining why. Still this source isnt 100% seeing how college isnt free and we live in a crappy economy.

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    Esakalgk

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    We are to blame and for sure we must draw a line and still consider that the world is changing but our values and principles never have to change.

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    nachopie7

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    MR. Eing
    I can agree with u on alot of stuff. But arnt we all aloud to have hobbies? Say some one wants to go hunting. there not going hunting to learn their going hunting to have fun.
    So playing video games is a hobby too. we all dont have to have our noses in books 24/7 we all need our own time for fun. Every one does it no matter who they are!

    And i think kids not talking to other kids at school is an extremely bad idea that can make them more antisocial which is what this artical is saying technology is doing.

    But like i said Mr Eing you made some valid points but we can all agree its up to an individual to shape up or sink out. No one else.

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    Mr Eing

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    As pointed out I dont agree with that part of the article. Go through a day of high school and don't take to anybody, just listen. When you see what kids are doing in classrooms the idea of them being anti-social is very laughable. For the most part that is, their social desires are whats making them so obnoxious and stupid. They do it to impress the other idiots in the classroom. Anti-social kids are the ones who are too shy to do this or they simply have nobody to impress. It is true that you need to learn social skills to help for a job but the nerds are always the ones who seem to get really high up in their job. Those lonely quite nerds, who sat away from the other kids, sometimes with a book out. I know two successful nerds, both programmers. One is anti-social where he doesn't talk much but will when necessary. The other other struggles to talk at all, a nervous "H-h-hi" is what you get on his good day. See teenagers do teach each other social skills, but not good social skills. Meaning that if I was hiring and a teenager came to my office asking for a job, acting like a typical teenager acts in class...it would make my day.

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    nachopie7

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    haha ur right about that.

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    Claudia-C18

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    Just to answer some of these posts: you do know that basic computer skills are NOT a sign of intelligence, right?
    Mocking our parents (yes, I too am from this generation) for it does not mean we're "smarter"?

    For example, can you milk a cow? Can you build a wooden barrel?Can you cut and keep pig meat fresh for the winter in your cellar?
    Most of you can't.

    A person 50-60 years ago would laugh at you and your "stupidity", probably asking "how were you able to survive after birth, since you probably don't even know how to suckle?"

    Therefore, the "computer and you" thing isn't a proper argument.

    I agree though that youth today aren't THAT much more stupid as parents tend to think,it's just that the media focuses much more on them than it used to and yes, it is the parents fault.
    Though i can see why.

    Most of these parents that spoil their kids do it because deep down,they feel bad they never had the money and luxury to have these things in THEIR childhood so they buy these things for their kids, thinking it'll make them happy, ergo their kids will have a great childhood.

    It's basically the parent living through his children, which is what many parents mistakenly do.
    So when it backfires, a parent will never ever blame themselves, they will blame the tv or iphone or computer and such because they cannot comprehend that their act of love was actually the bad thing.

    Get used to this, "dumb generation", because most of you will repeat this mistake. Mostly it's because, how are you going to try NOT TO?

    By raising your kids without tvs or computer or any form of technology?
    Welcome, future Amish community!

    Because you know technology will continue to ask less and less of kids' minds -unless they themselves realise it's going to replace books for good, so they might as well use it for studying too- and you too will one day write an article about "these dumb kids today"

    It takes a lot of self-awareness to not become part of the cycle, you know.

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    jillcurry

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    Kudos to all.

    I receive BNET by email, and look for qualitative information.

    I opened this link because of the title. Therefore, the marketing effort of the author is effective. The correspondence herein compliments the effect, and the author validated the point through respondents use of language, lack of writing skill, disrespect, and inability to recall historical data about our country.

    Memorizing the Gettysburg Address is not the issue. Rather, groups of influence attempt to determine what information is relevent in education. The Constitution is our national doctrine, which is not meant for amendment or interpretation based on social or cultural gain of any sort.

    The U.S. is a tremendous land mass capable of sustaining life without the resources of other nations. The U.S. is not truly interested in changing other cultures, but a will to protect our own. As immigration continues cultural traditions transition along with the migration. Here lies the root of controversy and the influence of poor communication skills, and misunderstanding of what global connectivity means.

    I will address China since it continuously comes up in most conversations. China is pushing math and science because it is in its first industrial age, which we gave to them while unions forced corporations out of business. It is impossible to meet payroll when the cost of overhead is outrageous, and strikes are permitted. For those of you who like learning via the internet conduct a scholarly review of the true cost of a manufacturing facility shutting down production for one to thirty days. This will occupy your time for several hours, as each facility is different and the cost of labor, equipment, and maintenance all impact the turn off switch.

    The U.S. entered her industrial age fifty years ago, and our students could be 100 years ahead of China. Yes, you must double the number for near perfect data.

    Someone mentioned the Amish. I include the American Indian the original land holders of the U.S. What do you think the two have in common that the greater U.S. lost in cultural value and integrity?

    One is they have money. Why? They stick within their culture as a united family and business. Goods and services are made and sold, but the money stays within the family. It does not leave the family to support another soil. Visit any American museum or historical park and see where the products sold to support the foundation are produced. I believe the results will post "made in China" on the underside of the product or on the label. To me, this is disgraceful to our children and elders.

    Use critical thinking skills and ask yourselves why Microsoft has greater than 600 offices worldwide with less than 70 in the U.S. Do you know how many countries/nations there are on Earth? Nearly 1/6 of the total Microsoft offices. That is outrageous and frankly frightening.

    Do you know NASA is responsible for developing most of the contents to which your technology is encased? If not, tell us why you do not know these significant contributions.

    Do you know military tactics, and why it is important to keep soldiers abroad? If not, then there is much you did not learn in school. The SOL's will not teach these. Are you aware that the first U.S. schools were established to teach people how to read, and specifically to read the Bible? If not, then the internet has done you harm. These points are about roots and protected our infrastructure and culture. The U.S. does not promote non imigration, only come aboard in the manner our laws are written and respect our laws while living on our soil.

    If we visit a friends home do we remove our soiled shoes out of respect, or do we place the contents on the furnishings and move items about as we please. Do we address the owner of the home by their formal name, Mr. and Mrs. Jones or do we say Hay what's up, and I need something to drink.

    When we search the internet and read how to build a boat, a pond, barn, bridge, flood wall, or engine can you go outside an do the work? Do you have the motor skills and experience needed that were a part of building a tree house or joining a scout group to teach survival in the raw?

    If you can not do these things, or know that the civil war was not begun over slavery, then you are not prepared for the future. I suggest you close the computer and visit elders so they can pass valuable information to you enabling you to have etiquette, knowledge gained by prior experience, and the definition of respect.

    You will be busy for the next few years with remedial education, in lieu of foul language, and unsocial communication skills. An example, of poor social skills is answering a text or telephone in the presence of someone interacting with you. The most important person in a room is the one standing in front of you, and this is responsibility a character you must have to be all that you can.

    Humility is not thinking less of oneself, but thinking of oneself less.

    Apologies to the audience in which you abused are in order.

    May the wind set your sail,
    Jill Curry



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    HDCamel

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    @ Jill Curry

    What?

    The Constitution is our national doctrine, which is not meant for amendment or interpretation based on social or cultural gain of any sort.

    This alone invalidates any points you might have had. However, I'm a very thorough individual and feel that other things that you bring up need to be set straight.

    Here lies the root of controversy and the influence of poor communication skills, and misunderstanding of what global connectivity means.

    I somewhat feel like this was directed at me. How do you define global connectivity? Love, peace, and understanding?
    Global connectivity means that he world is connected. The internet makes this possible. I've had in depth discussions with people from all over the world comparing cultures and learning from each others' personal experiences. If that's not global connectivity, then I don't know what is.

    Why bring up China? Nothing you said about them really has anything to do with the topic at hand.

    I include the American Indian the original land holders of the U.S. What do you think the two have in common that the greater U.S. lost in cultural value and integrity?

    Again with the values. No one cares what your values are. They only care what their values are. Also, everyone has a different definition of integrity. Simple truth. If you deny it then you are a moron.

    One is they have money. Why? They stick within their culture as a united family and business. Goods and services are made and sold, but the money stays within the family. It does not leave the family to support another soil. Visit any American museum or historical park and see where the products sold to support the foundation are produced. I believe the results will post "made in China" on the underside of the product or on the label. To me, this is disgraceful to our children and elders.

    No, just no. Isolationism (economic or otherwise) is an outdated and culturally stagnating practice and you should be ashamed for bringing up something as stupid and impractical as that philosophy.

    Use critical thinking skills and ask yourselves why Microsoft has greater than 600 offices worldwide with less than 70 in the U.S. Do you know how many countries/nations there are on Earth? Nearly 1/6 of the total Microsoft offices. That is outrageous and frankly frightening.

    What is this? I don't even...

    Microsoft is an American company. I'm sorry, weren't you just preaching about keeping money "in the family" so to speak. Or are you mad that ONLY 1/6th of Microsoft offices are in the US?

    Do you know NASA is responsible for developing most of the contents to which your technology is encased?

    Actually, NASA is responsible for the technology that makes it possible. Not the gadgets themselves.

    Do you know military tactics, and why it is important to keep soldiers abroad?

    I actually know quite a bit about military tactics and I can tell you that the need to keep soldiers abroad is diminishing rapidly. As is evident by today's military, we in the US have the capability to mobilize a sizable force from US soil to almost anywhere in the world in less than a day. In other words, the Cold War philosophy of the rapid reaction force is almost completely obsolete.

    Are you aware that the first U.S. schools were established to teach people how to read, and specifically to read the Bible? If not, then the internet has done you harm.

    A: They only read the bible because it was the most available book.

    B: I don't know about you, but I never learned this in school, nor did my mother, nor my grandfather. The internet hasn't got a thing to do with it. If you're not interested, then knowing the information won't do you any good because it won't matter to you.

    The U.S. does not promote non imigration, only come aboard in the manner our laws are written and respect our laws while living on our soil.

    *sigh*

    When you immigrate to the US and become a citizen, it becomes YOUR soil. As such, you have a say in the making of this country's laws and an influence on it's culture. There is no discussion to be had on this point.

    If we visit a friends home do we remove our soiled shoes out of respect, or do we place the contents on the furnishings and move items about as we please. Do we address the owner of the home by their formal name, Mr. and Mrs. Jones or do we say Hay what's up, and I need something to drink.

    That which is socially acceptable is determined by the culture that you are in. People being blunt, like they are on the internet, make for more efficient communication.
    I COULD exchange pleasantries with people I already know and wait for their permission to do everything, but my friends and I all have an understanding that we like each other and what is allowed at each others' houses. No one asks to use the restroom, they may excuse themselves if they're in the middle of a conversation, but that's it.

    When we search the internet and read how to build a boat, a pond, barn, bridge, flood wall, or engine can you go outside an do the work? Do you have the motor skills and experience needed that were a part of building a tree house or joining a scout group to teach survival in the raw?

    What about if you looked those things up in a book? Would it be any different?

    If you can not do these things, or know that the civil war was not begun over slavery, then you are not prepared for the future. I suggest you close the computer and visit elders so they can pass valuable information to you...

    I am a history major. I have loved history since the second grade and I will continue doing so for the rest of my life. I also have aspirations of becoming a teacher. I know full well that the Civil war was not started over slavery, but that it was tuned into a war over slavery to keep Europe from interfering. However, stating that unpreparedness for the future will result from the internet only shows that it is YOU who is unprepared, otherwise you would not be so adamant about stopping change.
    ...enabling you to have etiquette, knowledge gained by prior experience, and the definition of respect.
    You will be busy for the next few years with remedial education, in lieu of foul language, and unsocial communication skills.


    Again, etiquette is determined by the culture you live in and culture is determined by the times. Also, foul language? You never cursed? Never insulted people? That's laughable to an incalculable degree.

    An example, of poor social skills is answering a text or telephone in the presence of someone interacting with you. The most important person in a room is the one standing in front of you, and this is responsibility a character you must have to be all that you can.

    You sound like a little kid who's mad that their parents aren't listening to them because there's another adult in the room even though you were talking to mommy first. Grow up.

    Maybe the text message is more important than what you're talking about. What if we were talking and you checked a text message that your (insert living relative) was in the hospital and I got mad at you? It's all about perspective.

    Humility is not thinking less of oneself, but thinking of oneself less.

    You say this, but aren't you trying to make yourself more comfortable by telling people how they should act? That's hardly a shining example of humility, hypocrite.

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    crondanet5

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    Camel, you either have way too much time on your hands or you're brilliant. So you know history? Does it repeat itself? How close are the Visigoths to Rome this time? But I digress. This story was about how far apart parents have gotten themselves from their children without providing their children at least a British boarding school to get a proper education. The real question is how do you make education interesting? How does a parent reconnect their child into a world filled with educational curiousity and information? The answer is they have to do the same themselves. They have to go home, assess what is going on, and get involved in their child's educational process. If not, the Visigoths just sacked Rome again.

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    HDCamel

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    I don't have too much time on my hands, I'm a student. However, I don't need much time when all I have to do is point out such obvious flaws in an argument. To me, they are like elephants in the living room: impossible not to notice.

    I don't take issue with children having an education. As I stated earlier, I want to be a teacher someday. What I have a problem with is that which is called a "proper education." In history, there are three important factors, in my opinion, that must be taught in order for me to call a student "educated." They are: Content, context, and concept or "What happened, when it happened, and why it's important." Obviously, the concept is the most important part, but schools today focus almost entirely on the first 2. They do this because that's how it's been for decades or even centuries ion some places. You bring up the sacking of Rome. Why? Should I be impressed that you know Rome was destroyed? Are you using it as a metaphor for destruction of culture? This is poor communication of concept and the result of the crap education system that exist ONLY to instill values rather than to make people THINK.

    Reason is the enemy of the established.

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    jillcurry

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I confirm, you have a great deal to learn. I hold a M.Ed, licensed to conduct real estate brokerage in several states, and a class "A" contractors license. A class A enables me to manage complex projects. I am well versed in global education systems, and how education is financed, adjusting to technology while struggling to keep up with the changes and costs.

    I assure you no one will hear me curse, degrade an elder, colleague, peer, or culture. Commentaries of any sort will never display slang terminology, or ignorance displayed by selecting foul language.

    I did not learn the construction business, or the vast regulations, needs, architecture, trends, use of technology, experential and environmental education through texts or the internet. I learned all of these and much more by respecting my elders contributions and listened to what works and does not work from state to state, sea to land, and soil to skyline. Experience comes from exposure, getting our hands dirty, doing what is asked of us with our best effort. Accepting criticism as a compliment, for what we do not know is what hurts our potential.

    Why are you on a business website battling points of view, rather than practicing your lessons in a project that will develop your interests and ability to achieve goals? What is the root of your aggression?

    Remarks in my earlier post were based on the total conversation of other participants.

    Parents are diffused from their children's education for many reasons. Some hold more than one job, and find little time to be at home. They have a choice to feed the family, or turn the children over to someone that will. This has nothing to do with education, rather availability of opportunity and the ability to enjoy professional development.

    Many schools welcome parents only during parent-teacher conferences twice per year. There is virtually no opportunity to observe the classroom in everyday lessons, and little communication between the parent, teacher, or administration is employed, although required by the NCLB act of 2001.

    The expense to implement technology in older construction is monumental, while many homes do not have access to internet communication. Therefore, technology reinforces gaps in student achievement, and communication among stakeholders.

    Many are unable to meet the rent or put food on the table if absent from work for one day. Thereby, what is the system doing to meet these challenges? Some school districts provide in home consultation, and advice on how to establish a home educational environment.

    You point out content, context, and concept as vital to "proper education", but express value and character as meaningless. I suggest you spend time reading the mission statements of schools across the nation rather than communicate on business webs. You are not in business, and not prepared to understand how business, leadership, cost analyses, payroll, financial management, and long term strategy for sustainability is reached.

    If you desire to teach, be assured you will be fired for using terms expressed in your dialogues. You will be fired for lack of vision and collaborative effort. Again, humility is not thinking less of oneself, but thinking of oneself less. Get away from the computer, the bathroom mirror, and do some service work in your community and keep your mouth closed. Listen and observe where, when, and how others need help. Consider what you are able and willing to do to help others, then think about teaching and what you will receive in monetary reward. You may find the service does not suit your personality.

    Good luck, and I end my communication herewith.

    Courage is the first of all qualities, for it is the one that determines all of the others. ~ Winston Churchill

    Jill Curry

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    HDCamel

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    So, instead of countering what I said point-by-point (as I did to your previous post) you decide to say that I'm your lesser simply because I don't hold a degree yet? This reminds me of a discussion I had with a psychology professor at my school. I systematically countered his arguments with well-researched responses (psychology is something of a hobby of mine) until I got so far under his skin that he ended the argument by saying "Well, you're not a doctor!"
    It seems pretty evident that I won that argument.

    Back to the topic at hand. I agree with you on some of your points. In fact, they are points that I made. Yet you bring them up as though I said something counter to them.

    I never said that you can learn skills over the internet, simply that you can't do it from books either. The medium has nothing to do with it.

    Parents ARE detached from the education system. I said that.

    I didn't say that implementing technology wouldn't be expensive. When did I say that?

    Other counters:

    I'm here because it is my duty as a future educator to battle ignorance.
    Previous generations are closed-minded. Prove me wrong. As I stated, I'm willing to listen to reason as long as the reasoning is sound. However, you and several others here have failed to make points with logic rather than emotion.
    Some of the youths here are guilty as well. This is a problem, in my opinion, because it shows that many of them are too much like the previous generation and they will repeat your mistakes when the next generation comes about. This is not the fault of technology, but the fault of an education system focused entirely on content and values. Such philosophies stifle individuality. A school should be an institution of knowledge, nothing else. They should make plain values that exist, but allow students to choose their own rather than force them into a mold.

    You take issue with my educational philosophy. Why? Simply because I believe that everyone should arrive at their own values instead of being told what to believe? The same applies to parenting. Parents should only tell their children WHAT they believe and WHY they believe it, not that it is undeniable truth.

    You tell me to read mission statements. Do you honestly believe that I haven't done so already? The very point that I'm arguing is that they are wrong for the reasons stated above.

    You say that I'm not in business. I never claimed to be. However, I understand its practices quite well. It's a lot like war really.

    You say that I lack vision. I state that the breadth of my vision is so great that it's edges are beyond you narrow sight.

    "...do some service work in your community and keep your mouth closed"

    And I thought that you couldn't outdo that comment about the Constitution.

    I like how you try to be amicable at the end there, despite the fact that you have very clearly insulted me. Why bother?

    "Good luck, and I end my communication herewith."

    Some would say that if you respond to me after saying something like this, then you lost. I however, am not like them. I think that people have a right to change their mind and I welcome any rebuttal that you have to offer. Communication is the key to understanding.

    And finally:
    Am I not courageous for standing up for what I believe in in the face of (disappointing) adversity?

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    crondanet5

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Camel, not to crosss-attack you from 2 conversations at once, but I want to tell you I got the Visigoth thing from my 160 IQ son-in-law in a conversation about the dollar devaluation and China's "acquisition" of Fannie Mae and how we have bankrupted the whole system. I had to listen. He has a double major in Business Finance and Economics with a 3.98 GPA. It was a good conversation. But as for education, the Visigoth thing is that if we as a society permit the next generation to slide in their educational achievements then this society is doomed. There are too many Masters Degrees in China and India. And on the North American continent I saw an ad from the Province of Ontario alluding to the fact they have more advanced degreed people than we do. So if we were to go back through the whole thread of this blog we would read a lot of frustration and negativity from frustrated parents who didn't realize their kids were failing in school systems whose school committees assured those parents those kids were doing fine because they answered 6 out of 10 questions correctly, with some guidance, or they were socially mature enough to advance. And the sports thing that masks those students who cannot read, well, I just put four fingers down the back of my throat-- you too? Now Jill, this isn't exactly a business site with real estate and college on the billboard. But I like it. The writers appear to be at the top of their class don't you think? The important thing is we're all here, we all know there's a problem, we come with different qualifications and we should be focusing on solutions rather than flinging dried cow pies at each other. N'est-ce pas? So maybe Lynn would be kind enough to restate what she said either on this blog, or because I have to slide the side bar guide down so far, if she would, perhaps she could title a new story as "Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation? Part II. Okay?

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    HDCamel

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I take no offense to your statement. I was just a little unclear as to the meaning of your Rome comment. Thank you for clarifying though I would disagree that it is relevant to the education debate as the fall of Rome was not precipitated by a lack of education or social degradation per se.
    I wholeheartedly agree that the education system is in shambles. I have stated so in several posts and that I want to become a teacher to change that. I only take issue with the fact that many people on this site are blaming texting/the internet while providing neither reasons nor evidence to back up their claim. Even with those who do have reasons/evidence, it's easy enough to pick apart their arguments. It seems very clear to me that many people here only THINK that they know what they're talking about. Such people are impossible to debate with because they completely believe what they are saying is true and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. You may be asking "Then why do you respond if it will get you nowhere?" The answer is that I'm providing a counterpoint for others who may read this site so that they may think about and perhaps get them more interested in the subject. Some people might read what I and others have said and it could inspire them to do a little research and then come back with fresh opinions. Opinions that some will agree with and others won't and that they then might want to comment on or research more thoroughly. This sort of idea forms the very basis of my educational philosophy: "To make people THINK."

    This sort of thing is made possible by the advent of the internet. The best part of this being on the internet rather than in an auditorium at some seminar is that people can give researched and well thought-out responses that reflect their true opinion without having to wait their turn or having to worry about the kinds of dirty looks they might get from people in the room if they have an unpopular opinion.

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    The phone and internet can be a bad thing is used badly. Our English language has turned to hieroglyphics

    "Hey, wat were u going 2 do last night b4 you left." This is a less lazy way to type like teenagers, most of them would have put this but made some words smaller and misspelled more.

    Now as stated the internet could be a good way for the more intelligent kids or teens to say whats truly on their mind in a well thought out way. However the internet is also a shield to the stupid ones, here we call them trolls. A troll has nothing to worry about when typing any idiot thing he wishes, as long as he doesn't break any rules. Also when in the company of real idiots, you can leave, the troll will stalk you online by any means possible, I currently have two doing just that. Sadly if you could label people outside the internet "trolls" then most teens would fit this category. Thankfully idiots are popular so most of them have a lot of friends and don't need the internet. Still the troll outweighs the intelligence, however it at least is more balanced than the real world.

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    HDCamel

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    ASAP
    TV
    etc.
    Phone is short for telephone
    PC
    Hoops (basketball)

    Abbreviations/acronyms exist to make communication more efficient.

    Spellings are arbitrary. In England they write colour while we omit the "u". Does that make us butchers of the English language? Net speak typically uses correct grammar and the spellings are phonetic meaning that if read aloud, there would be no distinguishable difference between it and "proper" English.

    I h8 it wen ppl dnt think b4 they spk.
    Did you have a hard time understanding what I wrote?

    On the topic of trolls, this goes back to my earlier statement of having to apply more scrutiny to text than to speech due to the lack of inflections and body language. Any adequately intelligent individual can spot a troll and will simply ignore them or point out that they are a troll. You don't HAVE to read anything that they write if they follow you around.

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    Eternal Cold

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I'll take a guess, too. YOU are the DUMBEST generation! Must you be reminded that it is your generation that causes/caused many of the (easily avoidable) problems in society and the world as a whole? Then, you give everything to the younger people to take care of. While still on this topic, why do you think that we don't know what is going on in the world? I am 17, and even half of my stupider peers know a **** ton of things about the world. In fact, we know more than most older (though not college educated) people about these (and other intellectual) things, but that is probably because we are MORE EDUCATED (at least the ones who I know;I'll say we go to public schools, just to clarify) and have better information networks. Others who aren't, are just less "lucky" and were unable to have the chance for it. We are also less prejudiced than you, and can see more from different perspectives.
    Also, while I don't see many antisocial people, I would like to know why there is an inherent problem in this. Being social does not always give advantages or result in something positive. For example, being social with you would dumb on down.
    And what is superior about reading books? All I ever see i books that are given in English class are idiotic stories from "classic" books that do not benefit anyone other than book companies and said English teachers. Even contemporary works are often worthless. Out of every million books, only one is actually good, smart, informative, or well thought out. Furthermore, the point you give about "reading verbal cues" is moot. Books don't help with that, and neither does your uninformed, jaded article.
    I will address the Gettysburg Address, too. It should suffice to say that knowing it does not add to intelligence and is not useful except to expired pop culture.
    Furthermore, I would like to say that calling your generation the stupidest is not true. It is way too general of a statement to be valid, as the people have wide differences in education and intellect (you are in the bottom tier). I know of many intelligent metal musicians, teachers, and scientists, and a few of all of those mixed in one. Either way intelligence, knowledge, and stupidity are all arbitrary. Even without taking that into account, everyone is different and are also born with various levels of help to reaching their full potential. It would be unfair to call everyone dumb just because some of their peers are.

    PS: I couldn't fit this in, but you should try to find better statistics next article; the ones you used are laughable. Most statistics aren't valid since they usually are too general and uncertain (but they are useful to throw around).

    PPS: Your two teenagers are probably ignoring you because you are likely uninteresting to them, stupid, irrelevant, prejudiced, and jaded. You should better yourself and maybe you'll get their attention, for which you seem so starved for. The way you described them, they're probably in middle school, right? There is usually a big jump in intelligence and awareness after a bit of high school. If not, it is usually because of inadequate parents; I hate to tell you of how many times I've seen this easily avoidable problem.

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    Eternal Cold

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Forgot to say that:
    Most highschool English/Language, and liberal arts teachers are complete idiots. Someone really needs to fix that. While they're at it, the educational system in the US needs to be redesigned to be less stupid.

    There were a few comments about community service up there. It reminds me that community service is overrated and stupid.

    Sorry for the wall of text.

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    Oodiek

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    As a 28 year old, I'm more or less stuck in the middle of this debate. Too old to be included in the "dumb" generation, too young to be part of the accusing ruling class generation.

    I was growing up during the shift from the analog to the digital era. I witnessed the first CDs hit the market, the first DVDs, the first MP3s, and I witnessed how these things changed our society for the better.

    Then i witnessed the tyranny of the ruling class trying to protect everything it had made for us, and trying to keep younger people from changing these things too drastically, as they themselves grew older and more insecure.

    The legacy that the baby-boomers are leaving is an ugly one at best. But the younger generation not caring about this legacy (i.e: simply waiting for "their time" to be in control of the world) is just as ugly.

    The biggest problem here, as it always has been throughout history, is a lack of positive communication between those on their way out, and those stepping up. And neither/both generations are to blame.

    The one point this article (as well as every follow-up post) has failed to acknowledge is this;

    Ninety-Nine percent of the seven billion or so people on the planet are "dumb". This is not a statistic. This is simply observational truth. Half of us aren't even aware of our physical surroundings most of the time. Next time you pick up the phone and dial the taxi company without first thinking about where you are, you'll understand what I mean.

    We're ALL the dumbest generation. We're ALL stupid. It's those very few intelligent people who have always been there to progress us as a society, not the ignorant masses.

    The masses are there to blindly fall into wage-slavery under the thumb of the elite few intellects, in the vain pursuit of happiness, of which we're all convinced is a possibility in our lives. But honestly, the society we live in simply wouldn't function if everyone was happy.

    Wake up, everyone. Stop pointing fingers, stop looking for someone to blame. We're in this together, regardless if we like it or not.

    And Eternal Cold, community service is not stupid. Community service is what's lacking from our jaded society. But not the kind that's enforced by the law. The free-will kind.

    Be well, Everybody

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Woah your school has over half that knows whats going on? Where the hell do you live? And how do I know your not making up BS?

    it is not hard 2 understand wut I am saying. But this could Bcome a 4ce of habit and ppl hiring wont take some1 who talks like this.

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    HDCamel

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Eternal Cold, you make a couple of valid points, but some of what you say does little to back up your position.

    I would say that our generation has a higher average intelligence than previous generations when they were our age, but I would hardly call most of us intelligent/informed. I do believe that our intellectuals are smarter than the intellectuals of previous generations due to our ability to embrace the digital age. The reason for this being that we don't have to simply take someone at their word, even someone in a position of authority, because we can get hundreds of other people's opinions.

    You shouldn't simply dismiss reading books. Reading books can give you new perspectives on the world and give you a better understanding of both your own and others' minds. That's not to say that movies can't do this as well, simply that most have not done so and the trend that Hollywood is on makes it appear that they aren't going to any time soon. Classics are typically classics for the reason that reading them will help you to better understand the times in which they were written. I would say that the necessity of reading the entire narrative of certain classics is unnecessary (Scarlet Letter, looking at you) but it is important to study them and know what point they were trying to get across.

    Oodiek, why so jaded?
    You need 20 CCs of hope, stat. I believe that I've made evident that I want to destroy such negative misconceptions.

    We WANT to communicate with the old, but they refuse to listen.

    Mr. Eing, if you TALK that way then no one will ever notice because you are saying the same thing phonetically. If you type it on a r?sum? then yes, you'll probably not be hired. However, I have yet to now someone who uses such spellings on official documents or term papers and the like. It's as though you are getting mad at a secretary for using shorthand. No one uses it for official purposes, only for efficiency's sake.

    Also, texting was (for the longest time, I'm not sure if it still is) charged by the letter. If anything, teenagers who type like that are acting more responsibly because it saves money. With unlimited plans, it doesn't matter as much anymore, but most people don't have unlimited plans.

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    2 things

    1) Texting isnt that way anymore, but dont worry...thats a good thing why well look at reason 2

    2) Parents buy kids, their expensive clothes and video games even though in most cases kids dont do anything around the house. Oh and before you retaliate to that I do not consider the typical take out the trash once a week for $100 doing something, thats just too much for too little. Ok so clothes and video games, not too bad right? No, there's more. They buy them their cares, and their insurance, and their gas. They buy their phones, music, wide screen TV, and laptops. No these are not special gifts, this comes from everyday whining. How do I know this? My schools surveys.

    % of kids owning jobs:7.

    There are way more than 7% who drive at my school.

    There was another question backing me up but I didnt even need to see it, this one here explained everything. Neverless

    How much $ do your parents give or spend on you a week?:250 average.

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    HDCamel

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    My parents spend nothing on me (save a meal or two when I visit). I worked 2 jobs through high school and saved nearly every penny to go to college and I paid for my own car. I also took out a loan in my own name. I'm only 20 years old and already in debt up to my knees.

    I agree that just giving people stuff is dumb. It's socialism, a philosophy that I adamantly oppose. The biggest problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of someone else' money. I've held this position since middle school.

    Regardless of any of this, technology is not at fault for the problems that we face today as the article which started the discussion so stupidly claims. That's like blaming crime on guns or child porn on cameras.
    The problem comes from people of previous generations who received crap educations built around morals/values instead of KNOWLEDGE. They are so obsessed with what they were told is right or good despite the fact that very few of them actually follow what they say.
    Who designs/makes the expensive clothes? Who spreads the information that people should buy them and if you don't then you're a nobody? I assure you, they aren't my age. It's hypocrisy at its finest. People say that teens are too materialistic, but they are the ones who instilled this materialism and they are the ones who exploit it for their own gains.

    As I stated several times before, I'm becoming a teacher to fix the problems that exist today. Problems that were put in place by closed-minded, ignorant, petty, older folks and their unintuitive and, frankly, uninformative education system. It's a lofty goal, I know, but at least I'm trying unlike most of the people here who seem to have just given up hope.

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Good luck I hope so, although I'm not sure a teacher has enough power sadly =(

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    billybridgeman

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    We won't know whose "dumb" until it's all over. For one to say
    the young are "dumb" because they spend their time online or
    texting is an absolute joke. Maybe that will be "smart" in the
    end. Maybe the texting will allow them to commuicate in ways
    that make the older generations "dumb".

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Communication is what makes the younger generation dumb. Times have changed, before it used to be wise to do things in groups. But since the majority is stupid you cant rely on groups anymore. Now days its often this for the younger generation, a group may rely on one person but one person wont rely on a group. Just yesterday I saw that a again. Our class was taking a group math test (she averages out all the scores) we can do anything but go to another group or use a calculator. The majority was stupid and very few got past #5. In the end I finished with 30 minutes to spare and they all just copied.

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    HDCamel

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    ^
    I imagine it was the same oh-so-long ago. Everyone knows the old stereotype of the jocks forcing the nerds to do their homework for them or the nerd doing all of the work for the group project. It still happens and it will continue happening as long as teachers don't change. The problem is that education is too short-term results-oriented. The teachers don't care if anyone actually learns anything as long as they pass the class. It's basically always been this way.
    Ask your parents. I guarantee you that they were either someone who carried everybody or they got carried by someone.

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    guest@...

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Personally I don't think any of the generation are dumb. However, I am a Millennial working at a fortune 500 company and I have to spend countless hours helping Baby Boomers do very simple tasks on the computer. And the sad thing is that they don't remember the simple tasks, it's really annoying.

    My next comment is that the Baby Boomers have lead the US into a huge financial crisis which I could see was coming in highschool. They have de-valued greatly the dollar, which will only continue with the enormous deficit. Also, the baby boomers continue to ignore peak oil and global warming, which almost undoubtedly lead to the next disaster.

    Next, I believe the Millennial's are the most educated of all generations, and not only are we educated but we here to fix all the problem your generation has caused.

    Who's really the dumbest Generation?

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    Mr Eing

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Your using TV as your argument? Yes that's where you see the stereotype most often. Few flaws with that

    1)The teacher will realize the handwriting is too similar

    2)Idk about you but where I come from Jocks and Nerds are the same thing

    3)This doesnt happen now, I only let them copy because otherwise i would fail.

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    hurrdurr

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    Malachyte

    Okay, when I read this, it immediately made me angry. As a twentysomething ONLINE college student, I fail to see how computers, cell phones, and other media devices make my generation 'dumb' as you and your buddy Baurlein put it. The internet has made it so much easier to access all kinds of information. And no, I don't use my cell phone to text. I have family, friends, and important contacts with my college in my contact list, so that I can keep in touch with them if need be. Does that make me 'dumb'? I think not. Like others have said in previous comments, it all comes down to the past generation being out to get our generation, and their own inefficiency at raising their kids. As has been said before, technology runs the world now, and will continue to do so from here on out. So when you people whine about teens and 20somethings spending time on a computer, just think about this: Sometimes it's not all about 'watching some kid stuff his face with marshmallows on YouTube.' Some teens are homeschooled; a close friend of mine who is 17 fits that case, and his schoolwork is online, just like my college courses are online.

    Bottom line is this: Don't speak about an issue you are clearly ignorant about, and watch instead of whine. You just might learn something.

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    hurrdurr

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    Malachyte

    Bauerlein*. O

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    Lightleggy

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    we are no longer in the 50's
    dont expect your kids to lock up in their room as soon as they arrive from school to study for other 5 hours.

    I mean, you even thought about what you just wrote here?
    the dumpest generation because we use technology?
    texting is actually a really good way to socialize while you cant see the person, because its obvious that if you text someone its because you know him from real life, whats so wrong about it? you are keeping relationships with your friends and loved ones when they are not close to you, and then later you will be able to interact with them face to face.
    youtube videos? they are interesting, you can find ANYTHING (besides porn ofc) in youtube, its like watching TV just that it is online!
    and videogames are a great thing to do when you are stressed
    stop the BS about "the dumpest generation"

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    T.O Sierra

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Seriously ... on the internet. Any of the people that this article describe, that are actually smart and self-conscious, while read it and take it for ********.

    But hey, because most of us now have concentrated means of getting information, it's normal than the classic ''nerd'' case is spreading around, showing just a little.

    But maybe that's not a bad thing. Remember how PC's used to be frowned upon say, 30-40 years ago ? Well today a lot of jobs actually REQUIRES them. Maybe in another 30 years, the working environement will have so much changed that the way we are is maybe gonna the best to be. 'cause for diffusing information, you don't have much better than a cellphone with internet capacity and a keyboard. 24/7, anywhere ...

    Anyways.

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    T.O Sierra

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Oh, and something else. Yeah, we're pretty much dependent on technology, it's true. But maybe it's because since most people (those who grew up while PC's were invading homes) are completely used to them.

    Hell, in high school I was in a computer program. 2 and 3D animation, programmation, websites, sound editing, I even learned how to type.

    So the older generations did something bad and now they're saying WE are doing it wrong.

    Way to change subjects eh.

    Anyways, I really got to get back to typing this fourth project. What would I do in college without a laptop wink ?

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    T.O Sierra

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    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Oh wait. Sorry for the triple post ...

    But Ciceronius said pretty much what I was thinking. And in a kinda better way.

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    zakamoonday

    10/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I find this very instuting im 14 and yes I text a fair bit and every know and then go out to partys with friends but by saying a entiry generation is the dumbest is degrading whele doing all of this I do loads of voulentiry work I got a part time job I just saying that by saying that claiming the this generation is the dumbest with out tasking in to acount people outside of who you see most outside

    Hears An idea Lynn don't look out your window, go to places in your community such as the Play house of sports games and look at how many teenagers you see hellping benfit where you live before insulting millions of teenagers

    Keep in mind the when you are old in a wheelchair who's going to be taking care of you

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    starduke

    10/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    You do realize that "dumb" means "unable to speak", right?

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    HDCamel

    10/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Mr. Eing,

    I merely cited a similar situation (the stupid depending on the smart) from a different time, not saying that everything is the same. The point I was making is that not enough teachers care and that it's been like this for a while.
    If you dislike your teacher's methods then bring them up to her or the administration. She obviously doesn't care if anyone learns in her class as long as the grades make her look like she knows what she is doing so that she keeps her job. This means that the kids in her class are being deprived of their education, they are not eschewing it as the article seems to imply. I'm also saying that this was how things were way back when. Your predicament is in no way the result of communication between students, but a lack of communication between students and their teacher which would be a problem in any time.

    Personally, I bet that the drop in educational standards (for both teachers and students) was mostly as a result of the end of the Cold War, a period that basically coincided with the start of the computer revolution. I believe that this is where the correlation between rising technology and falling education comes from. The times, not the tech.

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    CarneAsada

    11/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Before teenagers were listening to iPods, they were listening
    to portable CD players, Walkmen, 8-Tracks, and records.

    While today's teens are eating marshmellows and watching
    weird YouTube videos, your generation's teens were eating
    Life Savers and watching weird variety shows.

    And while you were still working full-time in the failing
    newspaper industry, teenagers were blogging. Now you're
    writing articles for an Internet blog, claiming how dumb
    teenagers are. Maybe the kids were on to something
    afterall...

    Every generation has prodigies, idiots, and everything in
    between. Anything stating otherwise is just a mindless waste
    of those newfangled Digital Age Information Superhighway
    Kilobytes.

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    registeredtomakeonepost

    11/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    It's just sad to see somebody, a professor no less, take a stance that has no logic or common sense at all. You admit yourself you raised them in the first sentence, but then you throw the blame squarely on the makers of iPods, Phones, and YouTube. Usually the comments section of pages are littered with dumb posts and no-brainer statements, but here it's the article that needs the comments section to set it straight. Like someone else said, there are always distractions in every generation, it's just this generation that is attacked for its technology fetish. Playing the blame game is what hurts this country every day, and you, ma'am, are part of the problem.

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    Ishoturface

    11/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Wow.. i think it is your generation who is the dumbest.. you cannot blame your kids for the way they act.. It is your fault and your's only.. So stop saying Todays generation is the dumbest.. your's is...

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    Boot_Agnostic

    11/11/09 | Report as spam

    Dumbest Generation: The one that's made

    the world currently what it is, . . probably not teens or younger since they are ,not the power structure and cogs in place. If teens suffer from something dumbing down, didn't it come from or be condoned by an adult.

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    lynnisamoron

    11/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Dear moron,

    The reason that the "iPod generation" is the dumbest generation is because of the lack of good parenting and discipline that these kids have grown up with. Seems like you have had first hand experience with this. Instead of allowing your children to waste their time watching Youtube videos and TV and then going to write a pointless article like this, maybe you should spend some time raising your children properly in the first place, even if that means making the unpopular decision to tell them to turn off the electronics for a little while. Please learn to raise your own children before criticizing an entire generation.

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    Shourisha1

    11/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    I'd just like to say, as a member of the dumbest generation, thanks a bunch. You have completely ignored all of the REAL problems with my generation, and have instead shown your true colors, in calling out the use of modern technology. "Can't discipline them, so let's complain about what their playing."

    Alright, a small little blurb about myself. I am 21, and in my first year of college. I am an A student with a 4.0 average so far, and I've kept up this little score since I was ten years old. When in 4th grade, I was scoring college level scores on placement tests, if that tells you anything. I'm currently in college for a degree in computer programming, but also working on several art programs. I'm into video games, drawing, reading, martial arts, music, and anything I can sink my teeth into. I don't like sports besides martial arts.

    Now that you know a little about the man who is about to chew you out, let me begin.

    First off, how dare you complain that our generation is becoming dumb because of their use of technology. You are, at any time, more than welcome to take the child's technology away. You can, at any time, limit their use of it. That's what my father's father did, when he thought he was playing, are goofing off, too much. And yet, you don't. Wonder why? Maybe it's because it was YOUR generation that started this new idea for the freedom to do whatever you want, at any time, regardless of consequences. Instead of controlling your children you are out sleeping around(generation of free love), divorcing your spouse(generation that really made divorce legit), watching TV, or working to pay for your expensive cars(thank you, Feminazis, for making housewives feel as if they're not real women). You leave your children to be taken care of by daycare services, while you're out lolligagging. How can you blame THEM for what's become of their generation?

    How DARE you spout this hypocrisy about our generation neglecting study and reading for entertainment. Last time I checked, it was YOUR generation that spent their time getting high and sleeping with everything that moved, instead of studying your own history. WE didn't create this garbage, YOU did. YOU started this movement of doing whatever you want, whenever you want, not us. You're telling me that the majority of kids back in the last generation spent their time in libraries and at home reading, instead of going out on their bikes and playing, or hanging out with friends? My father's given me more than enough insight into the last generation, and you're spouting absolute lies.

    I'll admit, I am more than a little saddened by my generation. Just look at the comments made by the young people here. Their English is horrible, whether we're talking about spelling or simple sentence structure(Not that mine's much better). Most young people couldn't name five members of our government. And, sadly, their ignorance is allowing them to be fed the lies that, once again, YOUR generation is feeding them. And yet, I can't help but think that this whole thing is YOUR generation's fault. After all, you guys are in power. You are the teachers, the government, the parents. We have a PATHETIC school system, a lying government(I'm speaking of Obama, primarily, if anyone would like to know, though I'm not happy with the state of the Rep. party, either), and parents who could care less.

    You want an intelligent generation? Well, grow a brain. Then help us grow ours.

    What are our odds for survival, when your generation is actively working against us?

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    kidersx

    11/12/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    You provide no data to prove your "findings."
    "...watching weird You Tube videos or playing with iPod apps to have an old-fashioned sit down with their mom."
    That is where this article started.

    Reading books =Not= Inteligence
    Texting =Not= Stupidity

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    kidersx

    11/12/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    This article uses RELEVENT information:
    (Addressed to a suspected member of America's dumbest generation: Lynn O'Shaughnessy)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/05/AR2008120502601.html

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    osenblat

    11/13/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    "The world's dumbest generation" has been left with the legacy of a multi-trillion dollar debt to pay off, a tarnished global image, completely frozen credit markets, and a self-imploding environment.

    We silly Facebook-users have so much to learn from you and your peers, Lynn O'Shaughnessy. Like how to hand-churn butter, I suppose...

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    Alastorm

    11/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    All the people saying that it's the older generation's fault, They don't notice something. You guys weren't taught what you know about life. You learned it by living. My generation isn't capable of that. We just go with what we see on TV now. Some parents don't do anything because they had common sense. They Knew when it was the right thing, and when it wasn't. Kids will steal your own food out of your hands nowadays, and will make fun of you if you don't.

    I blame my generation, not the parents.

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    Alastorm

    11/18/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    Oh. Meant to put a
    (As far as I know) at the beginning.

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    rusty550

    11/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    "Kids will steal your own food out of your hands nowadays, and will make fun of you if you don't."

    That's a pretty damned stupid generalization.

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    matilda!

    11/21/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Guess Who's the Dumbest Generation

    What is it about Baby Boomers that is so hostile and insulting of those who are younger? I'm a member of Generation X, and when we came of age in the 80s and 90s, the Boomers had nothing nice to say about us, either. We're shiftless, we're apathetic, we're amoral, we're non-achievers...or so the Boomers said. Now they seem to have turned on their own progeny.

    Methinks they are jealous that they are not The Young, and someone else is. Jane Fonda's recent interview in which she brags about sex being better at age 70, and her shiny new titanium hip, shows the mindset of the 1960s generation: "Look at me! I'm eternally young and hip! Me! Me! Me!".

    Grow up already.

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Lynn O'Shaughnessy

Lynn O'Shaughnessy is a financial journalist and the author of a critically acclaimed book, The College Solution: A Guide for Everyone Looking for the Right School at the Right Price. She has been a contributor to such publications as BusinessWeek, USA Today, Money Magazine, Medical Economics, The New York Times, Consumer Reports MoneyAdvisor, The Chronicle of Philanthropy, AARP: The Magazine and Kiplinger

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