Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

The new “Cash for Clunkers” program starts later this week, and you’ve probably heard a lot about it. The only problem is, much of what you’ve heard is wrong.

To be sure, there are plenty of good reasons to dump an old car these days. You may want to trade up to a safer car, since few older cars have potentially lifesaving electronic stability control and side-curtain airbags. Also, it’s a ferocious buyer’s market on dealers’ lots, so unless you are a complete sucker, you should be able to drive a very handsome bargain.

However, Uncle Sam’s rebate program is not by itself a good reason to cash in your older car. The fact is, you’ll probably get a better deal by selling your clunker on your own and using that cash to buy a new car, rather than using the rebate.

The Clunker Rules

Under the federal program, formally known as the Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS), if you trade a gas guzzler with an mpg rating of 18 or less (combined city/highway) for a vehicle whose fuel economy is at least 4 mpg higher, you’ll get a government rebate to use toward the purchase. If the new car gets at least 10 mpg more than your old one, the rebate is $4,500. If the improvement is at least 4 mpg but less than 10 mpg, you can claim $3,500.

To find your old model’s mpg, the official Cash for Clunkers Web site, CARS.gov, will link you to the Fueleconomy.gov site set up by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy. Click “Find and compare cars,” then choose a year, make, and model. Under “New EPA MPG” is a number in red; that’s the combined mileage. You can then follow the same procedure to check on the car you’re thinking of buying. If you don’t know the precise age of your car or truck, it should appear on the safety standard certification label on the frame or edge of the driver’s door in most vehicles (“2-95” means February 1995, for example).

You won’t actually get a rebate check in the mail. Instead, the dealer will take your trade, apply the credit toward your purchase price, have your clunker destroyed, and get reimbursed by the government. The program is expected to end around November 1, or whenever the government’s $1 billion rebate allotment runs out.

The Five Catches

Here are five catches you may not have heard about:

  • Your clunker must be road-ready with at least a year’s insurance history in your name.
  • It must be less than 25 years old.
  • The vehicle you buy must be new, not used.
  • If you want to lease the new car, the contract must be for at least five years.
  • The manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) of the vehicle you buy can’t exceed $45,000.

Three Smart Clunker Strategies

Here’s how to make the best use of the clunkers program.

1. Go for the rebate only if it’s more than your clunker is worth. The rebate may be too stingy to be worth your while. Many older cars have trade-in values far higher than the $3,500 and $4,500 rebate amounts. Don’t assume yours doesn’t. Even some 1999 Ford Econoline minivans (14 mpg), for example, could be worth more than $4,500 in a private sale. Kelley Blue Book or Edmunds.com can help you determine your clunker’s value. The dealer is supposed to include your old car’s scrap value in the deal, but that’s not likely to amount to more than a few hundred dollars (minus the $50 paid to the dealer for administrative costs).

The best models to trade in for government rebates are “older cars that are not worth much and get poor gas mileage,” says Eric Evarts, associate autos editor at Consumer Reports. Examples from Consumer Reports’ list of the best gas guzzlers to junk: any pre-1998 Mercury Grand Marquis, older truck-based SUVs with V-6 or V-8 engines, four-wheel-drive Chevrolet Silverado trucks from 1997 or earlier, and pre-1998 Dodge Durangos.

2. Don’t tell the dealer about your clunker right away. It’s a buyer’s market these days, so you have a lot of leverage in the auto showroom, even without the government rebates. Tell the dealer that you’re interested only in discussing the new car purchase, and then work out the best price you can. Only then should you mention you have a clunker and that you want to have its rebate amount subtracted from the new-car price you’ve just negotiated. If you let the dealer know about your clunker immediately, he may jack up your new car’s purchase price, since he’ll know you’re getting the rebate.

3. Stack rebates on top of manufacturer discounts. You may be able to lower the new-car price even further by combining an automaker’s discounts with the government’s rebate. For a small, fuel-efficient car, the result could be a mouthwateringly low price. For instance, a 29 mpg Hyundai Accent with an MSRP of $12,670 would run just $6,670 after the $4,500 rebate and $1,500 in Hyundai discounts.

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    Kathy Kristof

    07/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    Nice piece, Jim. I investigated this law for my syndicated column
    and found that far fewer people are going to be able to take
    advantage of the law than they think. (If you're interested, go
    to www.latimes.com/kristof). Part of it is because the mileage
    numbers are weird--based on when the car was new, not now.
    A lot of people with gas-guzzlers have written to me in
    disappointment. What do you do? I don't write the laws, I write
    about them.

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    ceh4702

    07/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    I think this law is slanted toward people who could have afforded a large luxury sedan that got poor gas milage, or a high-end sports car or a hummer.

    These are just the kind of cars that the average American on a budget could not have afforded to buy. I guess it depends if you like spending half of your income on an automobile. So most people in the lower middle class would be ruled out of this kind of deal if they purchased any kind of vehicle that got fairly decent milage.

    In other words, this plan favors the rich, and the stupid.

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    clarkm

    07/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    This is a "duh" article. In fact, all the supposed unknowns have been documented in any number of publications including my local newspaper. As for the recommendations these look like any of those noted in a variety of buying guides (Consumer Reports anyone?) and have been for some time. Also, in the main body of the article you note that it's a buyers market, I think you actually used the term "ferocious", then advise people to try and sell the car themselves? BTB (that's buyer-to-buyer) sales typically net the worst return on used cars.

    You could title this article "Car buying for Dummies".

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    clarkm

    07/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    Oh yeah, did anybody really think that the government was going to come up with something truly beneficial to anymore than an isolated group of people???

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    steveo@...

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    What kind of program is this?

    The only way to explain the design of the program is as a subsidy to the auto industry disguised as an environmental program in order to fool the voters and thus win support.

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    jmotavalli

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    The author responds (and an update)

    The start of the Cash for Clunkers program has been delayed until Monday, July 27. The latest information on the program is available at Cars.gov. The newly posted rules (all 139 pages of them!) are online at www.cars.gov/files/TheRule.pdf. Thanks for that added bit of information Kathy, but certifying cars' current fuel economy (indeed undoubtedly worse than when cars were new) would be quite a challenge. Clarkm is entitled to his opinion, but auto sellers can frequently make out very well selling cars privately--I know I always have!

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    Biz Consult

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    ceh4702's claim that "this law is slanted toward people who could have afforded a large luxury sedan that got poor gas milage, or a high-end sports car or a hummer" makes no sense.

    Think about it - if someone bought ANY of the vehicles you describe - do you SERIOUSLY think they'd dump them for even the maximum $4,500???

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    ceh4702

    07/25/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    What other kinds of cars get such bad milage?

    The milage on trucks is based on different figures. I dont own a truck so I did not look the information up.

    Cant you just look at the cars that would qualify and come to any kind of a logical decision? Maybe you dont have to have bought a higher-end sedan like a lincoln town car or a large cadilac, but can you at least concede that a lot of the vehicles that would qualify would be large sedans, many of which would cost over $30,000 if purchased new? And I guess if they were 10 years old or older, their trade-in value might be low, depending on how well kept they were. The facts are that most people dont even own a car that would qualify.

    Many cars that would qualify if they are still in good condition may be worth more if they were to be sold. Although, I dont know if I want to buy a car that gets 18 MPG or less. It would have to be a collectable car that I would not want to buy anyway. For sure if I was not interested in a Gas Guzzler 10 years ago, then I am not interested in a Gas Guzzler today. Maybe some vans or some cars like a Chevy Suburban or full-size Bronco built for larger families might qualify.

    Overall this plan is a giant waste of money.

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    clarkm

    07/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    In regards to selling your own used car, I wasn't offering an opinion, just commenting on the article noting that it's a buyer's market then suggesting you be a seller. I think that is questionable and contradictory advice. And as a enthusiast I was simply offering that many auto publications note the difficulty in selling your own car and the less than stellar return for your efforts. Everyone has access to blue book pricing and dealers have other incentives that can allow them to give better than trade-in value. A person-to-person buyer is going to expect to pay book value or less. Then you have to deal with the timing of the exchange versus when you buy, particularly if you need the money from your old car as a down payment, etc. etc. Lots of issues to deal with that aren't based on opinion, but hey, to each his own.

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    Biz Consult

    07/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    In response to ceh4702 ? post 8: There are plenty of cars that get poor mileage that didn't cost a lot of money. Most SUVs - whether low end or high end, and most older 8-cylinder standard cars that cost under $20k new would likely qualify for the rebate.

    The rich don?t keep cars until they?re clunkers ? how many rich people are driving beaters with poor gas mileage? By default then, they wouldn?t have the vehicles to trade in even if they wanted to.

    Out of the cars you mentioned in post #2, (large luxury sedans, high-end sports cars or a Hummer ? vehicles casting $30k-$70k and up) - the only ones the rich would still have would be those in good condition or those that are collectable, which they wouldn?t since they?d still be worth MANY times the value of the potential rebate!

    The people that this will impact are those truly driving beaters that get poor mileage, whose values are below the rebate amount, (probably with high repair bills) who were already going to purchase a new car anyway! Therefore, much of what?s happening is just pulling demand forward and incentivizing purchases that might have taken place a few months or a year later? Like most of the plans and last-minute legislation being jammed down the throats of politicians and the public in the past six months, this was not well thought out or with a long-term perspective.

    I do agree that the program is a waste of money for the reason above, as well as when you consider the environmental impact of producing a new car, and trashing the old one -- which likely far outweighs the negative impact of continuing to drive the older car which got a few less MPG?your taxpayer dollars at work (or not)?

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    boris256

    07/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    As usual, the millions of Americans who take public transit and the transit workers they depend on were left out, because they obviously don't matter. Never mind that subsidizing public transit the way we subsidize automobile use would give us a much bigger bang for the buck. Despite the economy, the environment, the oil wars, and the 40,000 deaths every year on our roads, automobile worship in this country is alive and well.

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    mikeetemple@...

    07/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    I just took advantage of this program. Traded a 2001 Dodge Ram PU for a 2009 Honda Civic (80% Anerican made/MFG). With the clarence pricing and the clunker money, we left the dealership only owing $13000.

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    RobertbEZ

    07/28/09 | Report as spam

    It worked for me.

    I have an old 1986 Plymouth Voyager with the 2.6L engine. It has about 180,000 on the clock. Still runs good but I could maybe be lucky to get $500 for it. This CARS program is getting me to the dealership. I wanted a nice hybrid and I am getting one. I feel safer on the road too as my new Hybrid has 5 star crash testing, airbags and side curtains, antilock brakes, and more. There is more to this than just environmental... newer vehicles have more safety features and that is a pretty good reason to buy new under this program.

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    anomius

    07/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    I'm a little upset that the cut off is 18 mpg for one simple fact. I have a 1988 nissan maxima with 268K miles it is not really fathomable that my stick shift gets 19 combined and the all important 1 mpg is lost by going to an automatic. So I don't get 3500 or 4500, I could get 500 dollar trade in unless i use one of the 1500, push-pull-or tow in offers. i'm frustrated since i have owned this vehicle for a year and a half and was excited to think i could get some very nice aveo, accent, or any other number of 35+ mpg. Thank you for reading

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    anomius

    07/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    just one quick thought that i wanted to add, and maybe it is on one of those 100+ pages of pdf. But if your car has more than 200 or 250k in mileage and is 20-25 years old to allow you to take that 1 or 2 mpg estimated. Just a thought since it is so convoluted anyways.

    Thanks again

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    zimmerlaw

    07/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    Sure, "Don?t tell the dealer about your clunker right away". What are the first two things the salesman will ask? How much per month can you afford and do you have a trade?

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    jmotavalli

    07/31/09 | Report as spam

    Cash for Clunkers: Running on Empty

    As of Thursday night, the Cash for Clunkers program appeared to have run through the intiial $1 billion funding, throwing the government into confusion about whether to stop new applications or shut the program down. The tide seems to be running to keeping it going, at least through today (Friday). To stop funding the program would leave a multitude of dealers in the lurch and create a huge group of angry consumers. See more here: http://industry.bnet.com/auto/10002047/cash-for-clunkers-runs-out-of-cash/

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    skyhaz31@...

    07/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    Wrong!

    Quote: "Volkswagen?s Jetta diesel tops all hybrids except two: the Toyota Prius (48 highway/51 city) and the Ford Fusion hybrid sedan (36 highway/41 city)."

    You forgot the new Honda Insight (43 highway/40 city). Not to mention that it has a base MSRP of just under $20K, which is about $2K less than the base Jetta TDI.

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    skyhaz31@...

    07/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    sorry, posted in wrong discussion thread

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    shphotography

    08/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    My Brother in-law has tried to navigate the Clunker offer upstate in NY
    and has had no luck. All the dealers are using the MSRP, as the word is
    out on the rebate. They see him drive his "clunker" into the lot and then
    have nothing on the lot but expensive models he would never consider.
    They even told him to "go to another dealer as they could not help him
    with his requests" This is not looking like the friendly "win win"
    arrangement the gov program is advertised as.
    shphotography.com

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    JessicaMayBe

    08/05/09 | Report as spam

    NOT just for the wealthy!

    We're by no means rich, or even middle class. I'm a 24 year old college graduate working as a Medical Receptionist, and my husband is 26 and finishing his business degree while making minimum wage at the college bookstore. But this program was great for us!

    Two years ago we were given (thank you!!!!) a creaky 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager with a 3.3 litre engine. We took out the back seats, put all of our worldly possessions in it, and drove it across the country from Chicago to our new home in Humboldt County, California. It moans, it creaks, it complains when you turn it on if it's colder than 50 degrees.... it was a piece of crap. We felt bad GIVING it to someone. Before cash for clunkers, we seriously considered giving it to a homeless person for SHELTER when it got too expensive to fix. Then, the CARS program.... Sweet mercy. happy

    We turned in our piece of junk and got $4,500 from the CARS program to put towards our new 3 door Hyundai Accent. It's a manual, and came with a $1,500 rebate. All in all it was about $8,000 for us, which is still a THIRD of our yearly income. But for us, it was worth it. With Hyundai's rebate, the car was pretty much covered for six years. No worries about throwing money at it. We have very good credit scores, and with the financing we got (which wasn't great in this market), it's about $200 for a four year loan. For a young married poor couple like this, the CARS program was a Godsend, and the only way we'd be able to afford any kind of decent car in the next few years. With 29 mpg, it certainly will save us money in gas.

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    JessicaMayBe

    08/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    We're by no means rich, or even middle class. I'm a 24 year old college graduate working as a Medical Receptionist, and my husband is 26 and finishing his business degree while making minimum wage at the college bookstore. But this program was great for us!

    Two years ago we were given (thank you!!!!) a creaky 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager with a 3.3 litre engine. We took out the back seats, put all of our worldly possessions in it, and drove it across the country from Chicago to our new home in Humboldt County, California. It moans, it creaks, it complains when you turn it on if it's colder than 50 degrees.... it was a piece of crap. We felt bad GIVING it to someone. Before cash for clunkers, we seriously considered giving it to a homeless person for SHELTER when it got too expensive to fix. Then, the CARS program.... Sweet mercy. happy

    We turned in our piece of junk and got $4,500 from the CARS program to put towards our new 3 door Hyundai Accent. It's a manual, and came with a $1,500 rebate. All in all it was about $8,000 for us, which is still a THIRD of our yearly income. But for us, it was worth it. With Hyundai's rebate, the car was pretty much covered for six years. No worries about throwing money at it. We have very good credit scores, and with the financing we got (which wasn't great in this market), it's about $200 for a four year loan. For a young married poor couple like this, the CARS program was a Godsend, and the only way we'd be able to afford any kind of decent car in the next few years. With 29 mpg, it certainly will save us money in gas.

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    JessicaMayBe

    08/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    shphotography, are you saying that when your brother looked for a car in his price range they refused to show him the cars he was interested in? Or had the dealership just ran out of more affordable cars? I hope it's the latter, because otherwise that is SOOO unethical!!

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    ceh4702

    08/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Cash for Clunkers: 5 Things No One Tells You

    This program is doing a great job of helping out the economy. I think in the long run it has been the best method and most economical method of helping the American Vehicle Industry to get going again. In the end it will put thousands of people back to work making new cars. I think dollar for dollar it will turn out to be the best job saving program ever instituted by anyone. It is far better than giving the tax-payers money to the banks. If you compare a few billion to the trillions that we gave to the banks you will see that we wasted trillions on banks when we could have just given that money to the American people and they would have got the economy going by spending their money on goods and services.

    I think it is somewhat short-sided to reward only people who have gas guzzlers who were wasting gas to begin with. This is kind of a raw deal to a lot of hard working people who purchased an automobile that got just 2 or miles to the gallon better gas milage.

    I love the USA and I wish all the hard working people the best.

    I still maintain that this program will help a lot of people who purchased larger automobiles.

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