Why It’s Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

By Eric Schurenberg | Nov 18, 2009 |

My child is applying to college.

As those who’ve gone before me can well imagine, those six words are a death sentence for peace, sanity and intergenerational detente in my household.  They also add up to a body blow to the family’s tangible net worth,  since it’s likely to take close to a quarter million dollars to fund four years at the private selective institutions she’s aiming for.

Ray Martin, the curmudgeonly special contributor to CBS MoneyWatch, thinks there’s no rational justification for paying elite private college tuitions, and he tells me so in this video. Lynn O’Shaughnessy, the author of the great College Solution blog, has her doubts as well.

They have a point. It’s obvious that some kids from all kinds of colleges go on to make a ton of money. Gregg Easterbrook of The Brookings Institution, (a graduate of Colorado College) points out the undeniable fact that supposedly second-tier schools every year yield a profusion of wonderfully able graduates, and many of those schools turn more eventual Ph.D.s per capita than the Ivies. And the clincher:  a 1998 study by Princeton’s Alan Krueger and Stacy Berg Dale of the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation that found that Ivy-caliber kids wind up making the same money whether they actually go to a high-SAT-score college or not.

Believe me, I wish a) I could believe that, so that I could b) treat my daughter’s college as a discretionary expense not an investment, and c) send her to Montclair State and apply all the money I saved to my aching 401(k). But a) I don’t, and b) it isn’t, and c) I can’t.

There are serious problems with the Krueger and Dale study. For starters, it contradicts much other research that shows a real payoff from attending an elite school.  One example: a 1996 National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) working paper by  Dominic Brewer, Eric Eide and Ronald Erhrenberg, found not only that there was a significant return for attending a selective private college but that the benefit seemed to be growing over time.

But what’s more problematic is this: Krueger and Dale found that if they defined “selective” by criteria other than SAT scores-namely,  Barron’s rankings or tuition costs-the top schools actually do have an edge in building human capital. Citations of their study rarely mention this key hedge:

Nevertheless, we still find a significant payoff to attending more elite colleges as measured by Barron’s selectivity rankings and tuition costs.

Caroline Hoxby, an economics professor at  Stanford, reviewed all the relevant studies this fall and concluded that my daughter is right to aim high.

The long and the short of it is that studies with moderate to strongly credible identification strategies suggest that the returns are such that the typical student is sensible both when that student applies to selective colleges and when that student enrolls in one of the more-selective colleges among those that offer admission.

So this year, I’m going to join the anxiety-ridden hordes and gamble that an expensive education is a good investment in my kid’s human capital. Does it burn me that so much of my tuition dollar will be spent on fancy gym facilities and gourmet dining halls? Don’t get me started. Is there a hint of parental vanity in all this? Guilty as charged. On the other hand, my daughter earned the grades that put her in the running for these colleges. So she did her job. Now it’s my job to fund the education she earned.

(And by the way, Yale is not the real name of her first choice college. I just don’t want to jinx her.)

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    arlteach2

    11/19/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    I agree whole-heartedly! We have a freshman daughter at Yale and her twin sister at Georgetown's School of Foreign Service--NO financial aid from either. We're rich enough not to qualify but not rich enough to truly be rich. Regardless, we believe that these tuitions may be our best investments yet. And yes, they deserve to be at these schools. By the way, the GU daughter turned down a full-tuition merit scholarship to USC--ouch! Still, I say choose the right school and if that happens to be the elite school, so be it. And yes, the "parental vanity" is great fun. My husband and I refer to it as "basking." Good luck to your daughter in her admissions.

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    mrbdm

    11/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    I think that if you look at college as strictly a money deal, you will lose out every time. In the "real" world, you often don't turn to what you learned in college and go "ah, I can apply this and that and everything from class x", unless you went to a more technical or hands on college/field (i.e. my wife and I both went to the same liberal arts school, my degree in computer science and then my MBA didn't teach me so much in concrete terms, but they taught me more about learning and adapting on the job/situations where as her degree in teaching involved a lot of time in the types of classes they would actually be teaching. The same thing can be said for something like a law degree vs a medical degree). My loans, even after scholarships and grants, are almost as much as my house and there are certainly days when I think it wasn't worth what it cost, but, even though I could do what I do now w/o a college degree (90% of all jobs end up being what you learn on the job), I wouldn't have been looked at for the positions without them. I have a friend that went to Princeton and is a writer, but I can't say if her writing is 250k better than it was before she went, nor do I think anyone could, but I do know that she likely wouldn't have gotten the jobs at the publications she has worked at w/o her Ivy degree. A school like Yale, or any school really, aside from the education, offers 1) your foot in the door and 2) networking connections. I have found that who you know is generally more important than what you know and knowing the CEO that is a fellow grad gets you a lot further than knowing just about anyone else (unless it is the CEO's sectary, they have more power than most VP's). So, at the risk of rambling even more, I think that if you can stomach 250k to send her to school and it is what she wants, then I say it is a win, win. It's all relative.

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    MrRosemary

    11/20/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    Agreed. I know some real morons who went to Brand Name schools and, despite their utter stupidity, met some smart people who carried them along.

    This is not a joke. I think it's worth the extra money to go to a fancy school. Granted, not everyone who graduates does anything special, but society infers this irrational value on the name alone.

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    jhwellik@...

    11/23/09 | Report as spam

    But is it a rigorous education?

    Or are you paying for the name? Do your own research with your kids, and ask tough questions-like the curriculum, graduation requirements, and campus environment for academic freedom (i.e. speech codes, ideological bent of faculty and speakers, etc.)

    And what graduates are you impressed with? It's a huge expense, so do the homework.

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    nhalpern

    11/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    As a graduate of the four letter university you cite - I can say that it has bought me instant credability with potential clients. and in a competitive business environment, that is sometimes the edge you need.
    Nancy Halpern
    http://www.knhassociates.com/

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    Alan Samuels

    11/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    Great article! College Education is such an important large-
    ticket item for any family, but it is so hard to do the kind of
    research necessary to truly judge its value.

    This is one of the areas we have tried to address at People
    Capital. Our Human Capital Score
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    income potential based on choice of college - as well as GPA,
    SAT, major, etc.

    Alan Samuels, Chief Product Officer, People Capital
    (http://www.people2capital.com)

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    Eric Schurenberg

    11/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    One of the problems is that you tend to rely on anecdotal evidence to guide you on things like this, but anecdotes can be misleading. People are more inclined to believe the Ivy League is a great career booster if it's helped them or someone they know succeed; or they're inclined to believe it's irrelevant if they or someone they know did well without one. Naturally both cases exist, but single cases can't tell you what the base rate is, and that's what you're looking for as a parent. If 90% of Yalies do well and only 10% of UConn grads do (I'm making these numbers up, obviously; I'm sure UConn grads do just fine), that's the base rate. Your knowing successful UConn grads may raise your perception of that school, but it doesn't change the mathematical fact that your high-achieving UConn grads are the exception while high-achieving Yalies are the rule. If you're a parent and your kid gets into Yale (and you can afford to send them) you have to ask yourself whether you want to require your kid to be the exception, just because you might get a possible higher "return" on your investment.

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    Eric Schurenberg

    11/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    I should add that no parent knows what the base rate should be. That's the whole point. Krueger and Dale say that high-achieving teens tend to go on to be high-earning adults whether they went to Yale or UConn. Eide, Ehrenberg, Hoxby, et. al. say no, the Yale credential lifts the odds of success above what you'd expect otherwise. Since parents can't sort out a dispute that academics can't agree on, they have to gamble: a possible leg up for their offspring vs. the certain loss of a good chunk of change.

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    ChatR

    01/12/10 | Report as spam

    RE: Why It's Worth It To Send My Kid to Yale

    A professor told my daughter that where she earned her undergraduate degree wasn't highly significant. What mattered was her graduate degree.

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Eric Schurenberg

Eric Schurenberg is Editor-in-Chief of BNET.com and Editorial Director of CBS MoneyWatch.com. Previously, Eric was managing editor of MONEY. As managing editor, he expanded the editorial focus to new interests including real estate, family finance, health, retirement, and the workplace. Prior to MONEY, Eric was deputy editor of Business 2.0. He was also the managing editor of goldman.com, a Web site for Goldman Sachs Group's personal wealth management business, and an assistant managing editor at Fortune magazine. Schurenberg has won a Gerald Loeb Award for distinguished business journalism, a National Magazine Award, and a Page One Award.

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