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The Real Best Places to Retire

The following is the 2009 edition of MoneyWatch’s ‘Real Best Places to Retire’ analysis. Click here to see the 2010 update.

If you’re thinking about where to retire, you’ve probably stumbled on at least one of those Best Places to Retire lists online, in magazines, or in books. But which lists are credible? And which suit your circumstances? To find out, MoneyWatch.com reviewed them and came away with surprising results.

Since you shouldn’t choose a place to live using outdated information, our analysis of retirement-places lists excludes any created before 2008. That left five leading raters: U.S. News, Money, Smart Money, TopRetirements.com, and RetirementLiving.com; together, they name 454 places.

The key thing to remember: The rankings vary widely in the scope of the places they consider and the statistical rigor they bring to their ranking. Some of the rankers, such as TopRetirements.com and RetirementLiving.com, consider a wide variety of reasonable criteria to get at a more rounded picture of “livability.” Others focus on one or two key factors to produce a very narrow sense of what makes a place “best.” U.S. News, for instance, lists best-retirement places ranging from ones that lean Republican (hello, Cincinnati) to ones filled with parks (Albuquerque).

Perhaps the best way to use the “best retirement places” rankings is to start with a narrowly focused list (such as cities dotted with golf courses or ones with affordable homes) and find a handful of potential winning destinations. Then, use other lists and Web sites to see how these places stack up on broader criteria, such as livability or recession resistance.

Here’s how these “best places to retire” raters rate on MoneyWatch.com’s scale of one to five stars. (Another site, FindUtopia.com, doesn’t compile rankings but has a wealth of useful information about choosing a place to retire.)

TopRetirements.com

How it rates places: This site’s Best 25 Places to Retire list is essentially a popularity contest. It includes the towns with the most online visits among the 208 featured at TopRetirements.com. The site also sells an eBook of its Top 100 Retirement Towns ($12.95).

What’s good: Site editors and members of the public have visited the winning places. Zagat-like descriptions note the negatives, too. So although No. 1 Asheville, N.C., gets high marks for climate, water activities, downtown, and senior housing, a commenter warns that “overdevelopment is coming.” Top places include the familiar (Sarasota, Fla., and San Diego) as well as the not-so-familiar (Paris, Tenn., and Green Valley, Ariz.).

What’s not good: The fairly small database of places limits possible winners. You can’t sort the list to find places matching your own criteria.

Best for: Finding places that other retirees like.

MoneyWatch.com rating: ★★★★

U.S. News

How it rates places: U.S. News doesn’t have one grand Best Places to Retire list. Instead, working primarily with Onboard Informatics, a data-gathering firm, the magazine regularly churns out narrowly defined Top 10 lists from its database of 2,000 retirement places. Its latest lists: Healthiest Places; Low-Tax Places; Places for Swinging Singles to Retire; Cities for Job-Seeking Retirees; Brainiest Places; Outdoorsy Places; Places for Golf Nuts; Places for Winter Sports Nuts; Places for Football Fans; Greenest Places; Places for Foodies; Places for Democrats and Republicans.

What’s good: The data-driven picks are reasonable and worth reading if you’re looking for places matching their screens. The Best Cities for Job-Seeking Retirees list, created with RetirementJobs.com, is especially timely. (Winners: Bellevue, Wash.; Bismarck, N.D.; Charleston, W.Va.; Charlottesville, Va.; Ithaca, N.Y.; Huntsville, Ala.; Lubbock, Texas; Oklahoma City; Rochester, Minn.; and State College, Pa.)

What’s not good: U.S. News doesn’t reveal its data, so you can’t tell whether the magazine’s criteria would match yours. Some lists are anecdotal and random: Best Retirement Places for Foodies, for instance, came by asking “a handful of chefs and culinary experts” for recommendations and surprisingly includes McMinnville, Ore. A few choices seem way off: Clearwater, Fla., is a great place for “winter sports nuts?”

Best for: Choosing a place based on one factor that matters a lot to you.

MoneyWatch.com rating: ★★★

Money

How it rates places: Money created its three lists by selecting discrete criteria — towns near water, affordable homes, and long life expectancy — and layering on additional data.

What’s good: The 6 Terrific Towns on the Water list factors in livability factors such as crime, weather, and activities. (Winners: Dunedin, Fla.; Sequim, Wash.; St. Joseph, Mich.; Beaufort, S.C.; Durango, Colo.; and Marble Falls, Texas.) The Affordable Homes winners have Google Maps showing homes for sale and the prices of recent sales. Winners on all three lists have data displays showing how they fare on key measures such as weather, property taxes, crime, movie theaters, and libraries, as well as how the areas compare with Money’s Best Places Averages.

What’s not good: The Best Places for a Long Life and Affordable Homes lists don’t include livability data. The Long Life list’s criteria seem strange: Counties with the longest life expectancy at birth but whose median family income was not more than 5 percent below the state median.

Best for: Anyone looking for pleasant towns near water or places with either low house prices or long life expectancies.

MoneyWatch.com rating: ★★★

Smart Money

How it rates places: Smart Money’s article, “7 Places to Retire During an Economic Downturn,” had experts choose “recession-proof” places.

What’s good: College towns typically are recession-resistant, so winners Gainesville, Fla., (University of Florida) and Ithaca, N.Y. (Cornell University), whose unemployment rates are around 6 percent, make sense.

What’s not good: The list needed more rigorous criteria. Two winners — Portland, Ore., and Orlando, Fla., — are facing rough times with double-digit unemployment rates.

Best for: People who care most about healthy local economies.

MoneyWatch.com rating:

RetirementLiving.com

How it rates places: This site, from Retirement Living Information Center, lists 210 Top Retirement Destinations in 33 states, based on its research and visits. The site also lists 94 Great College Towns for Retirement in 38 states.

What’s good: Each Retirement Destination listing is information-rich and packed with related links, saving time if you want learn more about an area’s arts, recreation, senior programs, hospitals, weather, or taxes.

What’s not good: There are no rankings, so every place seems equally “great.” Hawaii has no listings, and many Midwest and Mid-Atlantic states are left out. You need to pay $24.95 to gain access to the detailed Top Retirement reports, which omit drawbacks. The College Town list is just a series of links to the towns’ and colleges’ sites.

Best for: Learning about places already popular with retirees.

MoneyWatch.com rating:

Standbys and Surprises

While no one can compile a list of “best places to retire” that fits everyone — the assessment process is necessarily subjective, as are each retiree’s needs and desires — it is possible to use the lists that are out there to narrow your choices and to discover some plausible options you might not have otherwise considered. Here are some examples of places that were included on multiple “best places” lists, and what’s good — and bad — about each one. Some are predictable perennials in Florida, California, and Arizona, but there are also several in states you might not ordinarily think about, including North Dakota?

Place "Best" Lists Pros Cons
Austin, Texas U.S. News Greenest and Football Fans; TopRetirements.com; RetirementLiving.com Popular with retirees, quirky, cosmopolitan, great music scene, plenty of parks and football games Hot and humid summers, may be too busy for some retirees
Portland, Ore. U.S. News Greenest and Golf; Smart Money; RetirementLiving.com Funky, enviro-friendly, affordable, great for hikers Rains 155 days a year
Beaufort, SC Money Towns on Water; TopRetirements.com; RetirementLiving.com Popular with retirees, quaint, seaside homes, recession-resistant with military bases Hot and humid summers, touristy, a little slow for some
Bismarck, ND Money Affordable Homes; U.S. News Jobs for Retirees; RetirementLiving.com Low cost of living, good job opportunities Frigid winters, less than cosmopolitan
Burlington, VT U.S. News Winter Sports and Foodies; RetirementLiving.com Great skiing, hip restaurants, college-town flavor Frigid winters, too small for some
Cincinnati U.S. News Football Fans, Foodies, and Republicans Big-city sports and restaurants Too conservative for some, cold winters
San Diego U.S. News Greenest; TopRetirements.com; RetirementLiving.com Popular with retirees, great weather, plentiful parks Too busy for some, expensive, California traffic

For more on best places to retire, watch MoneyWatch’s Editor-at-Large Jill Schlesinger on CBS’ Early Show.

About the Author

Richard Eisenberg created Money magazine’s “Best Places to Live in America” franchise but is no longer affiliated with the magazine.

 
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    english_knave

    06/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I really don't know why people just don't stay put. for two reasons , after all if you have lived all your life in a certain area and put up with it , how bad can it be and the other it costs a lot of money to move - selling and buying and integrating yourself into a new community, and the grass might not always be greener...so why not just save the time , money and effort ,after all it is basically running out and .....STAY PUT.

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    swtrat

    07/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    You missed Yuma,AZ. Great Weather 340 days a year. Nice and hot in summer. Caters to retirees. Growing fast, small cost of living. Lots of planned activity.

    I am not a member of Chamber of commerce.

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    rdebaun

    07/03/09 | Report as spam

    Yuma? You're kidding, right?

    I just checked Yuma's weather history. From May thru September (153 days) you can expect 142 days of EXTREME hot weather (defined as being over 90 degrees F). The forecasted high for the next five days, for example, is a scorching 108 degrees F. (There's a reason AZ's state bird is a Gila Monster...)
    [This comment should NOT be taken as a slur on the citizens of Yuma. I'm sure they're all fine, upstading, hardy (if a bit sweaty) folks. However, you may want to turn them over about now. I think they're done.] wink

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    john.dowd1@...

    07/06/09 | Report as spam

    johndowd

    The biggest single expense facing a retiree(s) in a given year is "property taxes" yet you and everyone else that "opines" on this topic seems to ignore that "little" item. Another point of financial conideration is the state "death" tax. You guys seem to be rearranging the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic. Yes climate is a worthy considration especially when escaping cold like here in Maine with its attendant heating cost but as we live longer stretching the retirement dollar is the most importaant consideration.

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    lrnoble

    07/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    It's not the heat, it's the humidity...
    I went and checked Yuma's history as well and the day time humidity never broke the 60% mark and the evening humidity was around 20%. Low enough to keep you from sweating to death, but still sustain that environment.

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    acoldiron

    07/09/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Why not overseas? Plenty of places where the money goes a
    lot further. Anyone have experience with that?

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    ideabiz

    07/21/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I'm retiring to where my familiy and friends can:
    - snow ski in the morning, sail on the ocean in the afternoon, catch a show or symphony or some megastar entertainer or major league sport* in the evening, and wander almost anywhere late without much worry;
    - spend the weekends hooking salmon and trout, or golfing dozens of courses, or hiking vast wildernesses--all within easy biking distance;
    - drink pure water from the tap;
    - enjoy four real seasons;**
    - meet friendly people from every corner of the world, without leaving town...
    ...where I'll probably watch TV most of the time.

    And taking other repliers' advice, I'm staying put, outside the U.S. (though within an hour's drive.) It's not much cheaper here, but nobody faces medical bankruptcy, which makes early retirement more feasible for self-employed.

    And housing costs will remain reasonable, as long as I don't say what city I'm in...

    * Okay, hockey, soccer and a variant of football.

    **Each season is two months, with the rest being rain. But there's almost always an "Indian summer" that's stunning.

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    CGDouglas

    07/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    ideabiz - That would be Vancouver BC of course! What a fabulous place to be. Yes, I've been there & would love to live there too.
    I always wondered what the mags doing the ratings were really selling (Not! advertising of course) but things do have to be switched-up a bit to keep last years readers interested in this years edition.
    The real ideal place is where you and your family can afford, feels safe, can maintain your health (including sanity), and can continue the trend through an active retirement.
    My votes go to Van-BC, Portland Maine AND Oregon, Asheville NC, Chattanooga TN, and Madison WI.

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    gertruded

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    The best place to live is where your children and grandchildren
    live.

    I kind of feel sorry for people that do not have that, except for
    those that CHOSE to make money rather than have a family.
    That is sad, really.

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    mohanramsujatha

    07/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Has anyone considered Fiji Islands? The best place to retire! Friendly people, relatively low cost of living and you get to enjoy everything you may love in retirement phase...a quiet beach side, busy market place in short beauty is there for the eyes that knows to enjoy it!

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    Habernacky

    07/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Ocala, Florida is the perfect place to retire. It is smack in the middle of Tampa, Orlando and Gainesville, is geared toward retirees and has no state or city taxes.

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    tbcass

    07/29/09 | Report as spam

    Best places to retire lists are Useless

    The ONLY way to tell if a city is a good place to live is to actually live there for an extended length of time. Visiting and looking at data are useless. Personally if you're happy where you are stay there. I retired in the same region I grew up in, upstate NY. Why? My friends and family is here. I love the area, housing is cheap, people are friendly, the weather is good enough, it is in a geographically convenient location, the scenery is fantastic and there is plenty to do. I have traveled to every region of the country, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean. All, IMO, fell short of good old home sweet home.

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    jenyj89

    08/03/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I've noticed that a lot of people who work here do retire here and actually I could see myself doing that as well...I live in Sumter, SC. We are situated pretty much in the middle of the state of SC, so you can be at the beach in about an hour, turn round and be in the mountains in about an hour...it's just the perfect spot to live in. Housing prices are still affordable but have been rising recently because the 3rd Army will be coming in soon, but compared to many other places in the country, you can still get a decent price on a decent house. There are alot of military retirees around, with Fort Jackson only 30-40 miles away in Columbia and Shaw AFB just outside of the city of Sumter. We have some beautiful parks, lots for kids to do, baseball, kids theatre, dance, soccer, softball, tennis, library, arts, and all shown off during the Iris Festival (usually around Memorial Day). I adopted Sumter 15 years ago and now I don't know if I can leave it!!

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    SmallbizMom

    08/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I am surprised that you didn't consider any of the many great retirement places outside the USA! There are many countries I have visited that would be highly desirable and treat their retirees better, with gorgeous hospitals, world-renouned medical specialists, high quality healthcare for free, and better retirement benefits. There are places with beaches, mountains, golf or whatever you like. Now that you can see your Grandchildren on Facebook and talk to them from anywhere in the world on Skype, why stay here where our money will soon go to insurance executives and nursing homes?

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    ianmcfall

    08/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Retirement Utopia depends on where you live now and what you want to do when you retire. If you are downsizing from a million dollar home in California, you will be able to buy a view home in the Pacific Northwest (the Hood Canal for example) for one third of the price. Enjoy better weather than you have been led to believe and have lots to do. This includes boating, golf skiing, hiking, fishing, wine tasting and ..well, you name it and its within a 2 hour drive.
    No income tax, reasonable property taxes, what's keeping you?
    Ian McFall: Brinnon WA

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    syed kassim reza

    08/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    The best place to retire is the place where you had born or it could be a place where you have groomed. If you have nice loving wife or wives to live with you with a reasonable hard earned savings you wiil realy enjoy a peaceful life.In these days more attraction will further generate when your loving children & grand children are arround you or at your close disposal. In the said circumstances you will have no problem the choice is yours . India & Pakistan both are great Nations with full of nature, variety of human races ,love ,culture & religion .The capital/Initial investment required to lead such a retired & peaceful life is very normal and is affordable .Choice is yours to select one or two peaceful cities among any of the above two Counties where atleast three tollerable mild seasons rotates in a year. I wish I can do this if Almighty God bless me Ameen

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    fandy6466

    09/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    It's not the heat..
    I'm not understand..
    regards Online News Today

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    almcfarland

    09/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I'm several years from retirement, but can vouch for Austin as a great place to live. Moved here from DC almost 10 years ago and the first thing we noticed was that people here "work to live" vs. "live to work". Work-a-holics will feel right at home in some companies, but there are plenty of things to do/experience here. Great music, vibrant community, cultural events (music, art), etc.

    Potential downside -- 2nd Tier (though relatively new and nice) airport. Very few direct flights out of state.

    Real downside -- the long, hot summers do wear on you after a while.

    http://pivotpointsolutions.wordpress.com/

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    Schlickieboy

    09/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    My retirement will be on a bus touring every nook and crany of North America. I'll still be able to see my family whenever I want, yet visit everything I always dreamed of seeing and experiencing. So no one city for me. Just Blacktop!!

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    bschranz

    09/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Am I a weirdo because I don't think you need to own property in your retirement or leave an inheritance that everyone will be taxed to death on? My idea of retirement is to unload 'stuff' and move around at will to other countries as new hobbies and interests unfold and climates fit what you like to live in, renting along the way. My ideal locations to bounce around to are Bali, Fiji islands, South Africa, India, France, Costa Rica, British Columbia, etc. Your mind will stay active with learning new cultures and languages so you won't have time for Alzheimers! Who knows, it may lead to a retirement career of writing guides.
    When I lived in a factory town in Michigan, during the '80's, many of the retirees who did not have much money would spend their winters in Mexico or Peurto Rico, renting a house and car, so they could enjoy some warm weather and let their dollar go further. Summers they came back to a downsized home, or cottage, in Michigan to be by the grand kids. Everyone said they enjoyed it and would not change; they are the inspiration for my idea of a wanderlust retirement (and an itchy travel foot I suffer from). I think we need to rethink the whole retirement paradigm ....

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    Richard Eisenberg

    09/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Personally, I want to retire near where my kids end up. Now whether they'll want me to is a whole other matter.

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    golddustchuck@...

    09/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    One criterion I'd like to see -- and haven't anywhere -- is access to public transportation. As we age, many of us find it difficult (or impossible) to drive. Public transit is great in New York and San Francisco, but those cities have drawbacks that include high expenses and, in the case of New York, brutal weather.

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    jejohn@...

    09/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    another good data source is Sperling's http://www.bestplaces.net.

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    kruggiero

    09/16/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Here's a new thought. Why not retire on a cruise ship? You have the opportunity for travel and having a well-worn passport with all the benefits of cruising: room, food, entertainment, exercise, medical assistance, et. al. You can store or sell your "stuff" that has been accumulated over your life time and enjoy life and have fun.

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    kjameshall

    10/05/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Colorado is horrible. Don't move there.

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    More internet bullshit

    10/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Your Story SUCKED! It had nothing to do with the headline!!

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    hersbear

    10/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    A great resource for retirement info is www.greatretirementspots.com I don't know why it wasn't in the list above. It's a free website and they have a new retirement town every week, plus you can request reviews of town you like.

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    hersbear

    10/27/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    A great resource for retirement info is www.greatretirementspots.com I don't know why it wasn't in the list above. It's a free website and they have a new retirement town every week, plus you can request reviews of town you like. Some are fairly standard, but others are places you'd never think of.

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    CitizenW

    10/27/09 | Report as spam

    Betcha can't top THIS... wink

    as a place to retire! Holideck, USS Enterprise wink

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    Ranop

    10/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    We're enjoying our retirement in San Carlos, Sonora, MX - inexpensive but dignified living arragements, many other gringos to chat with, great weather, safe streets at all hours, "Americanized" Hermosillo just 80 minutes away (Costco, Home Depot, Walmart, just for starters) - it really is a great place to live

    Rano

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    bmyers@...

    11/06/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    never hear about Ruidoso, NM... any comments on this lovely town?

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    AtlasGalt

    12/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    There are numerous great places to retire overseas.

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    KingRancher

    12/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I am glad my home town is not on your list. The least number of people know about it the better for us. Low property taxes, no income tax, low sales taxes. Enough churches, NO mosques, Three Walmarts within 20 miles, Hills, deserts, lakes within 50 miles and the Gulf within 100 miles. Texas, just like another country.

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    mattielanb

    01/02/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Like so many, I am retired but am raising a child. So I need
    LOW/NO state taxes, but good schools. Money is very tight
    but that does not mean that my child deserves less than
    anyone else's kids. I need some advice, folks.

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    wddallas

    01/05/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    THINKING OUTSIDE THE RETIREMENT BOX: Having family close is a plus. Allowing time for travel is great. But there are some key factors not being considered in any of the information provided in this article. Family members will not always be available when the age is reached for assisted care. I just finished overseeing the medical and assisted living care for my terminally ill parent and her passing. This was just after I had by-pass surgery and relocating from a metro city to a rural town in providing this service in response to the care I was afforded in my growing up. IT REALLY OPENED MY EYES to things I had not thought about concerning my own future needs. It was scary when I saw the lack of medical services offered for this elderly member and when assisted living was required the need for routine visits to assure proper care was being administered. WHEN CONSIDERING A PLACE TO RETIRE ALLOW FOR YOUR AGING AND FUTURE MEDICAL NEEDS. Those who rate retirement locations SHOULD INCLUDE RATING QUALITY MEDICAL CARE OFFERED and AVAILABILITY of both ASSISTED and NON-ASSISTED RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES. If you do not like metro living, consider being close to a metro area. AT SOME POINT HELP WILL BE NEEDED. Allow yourself the option to sell your home for future needs and redirect your retirement income into a NON-ASSISTED retirement community that offers daily cleaning service and group dinning. A place that provides the opportunity to play games, visit the pool side, or simply take a walk in a park after dinner with your spouse or newly made friends. A place that offers transportation or available public transportation for a night out on the town, to go to a nice restaurant, maybe take in a concert or go see a play. WE ALL WILL REACH A POINT WHEN WE NEED HELP FROM OTHERS, SO PLAN FOR IT AS PART OF YOUR RETIREMENT. Be prepared for the full walk. You must plan this future time to enjoy quality life with your mate by leaving the basic daily care needs of work, mowing, house cleaning, laundry and cooking to others. Do not let this key window of time pass you by. All this talk about travel and golf sounds fine, but I think a reality check is needed early on. Have fun in life where you are at now, let retirement be a time of quality moments, tranquility, new friends and a walk of helping others along the way. From a semi-retired senior citizen who has seen both signs of the coin.

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    Katie E

    01/11/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    A lot of these places sound great. I believe that you should rent a place for 6 months to a year before you really decide that you are going to make it your home. My home is paid for and I have good medical facilities around me some of the best this country has to offer. I do not want to take on debt to set up a new place to live. I hate the long cold winters and the hot humid summers but then I can afford to heat and cool my house. I have to ask myself is it really greener on the other side. I guess it depends on the person and how much money they have. The majority of people are going to stay where they are when it comes to push and shove because they have to and change can be difficult, but the ones that do move the best of luck to you.

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    henrysmom

    01/20/10 | Report as spam

    the best place to retire

    Last year we moved from California to Washington. We took our
    money and ran! Our new community has less traffic, a new
    hospital, four seasons and it doesn't rain as much as people
    think. The people here are really nice, and I don't feel like I
    need a passport to go to Costco!!!

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    robertcape@...

    01/26/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I'd like to share some experience with you. I "retired" out of N. California to N. Arizona about 10 years ago. Something you have to watch out for is whether your new community depends on a constant influx of moneyed retirees to pay for infrastructure. N. Arizona has a very poorly funded bunch of cities, and counts on constant home-building for tax dollars. When home-building slows down, the government slides into bankruptcy very fast. With little consumer protection, you'll soon find your cost-of-living going through the roof. Developers really don't care if your street is maintained, or your city services cut... you're old "history".

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    grensky

    01/28/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Portland, Oregon! It's a joke write? To much rain, trafic is horible due to the lack of keeping up with the population. Housing is very high, taxation is unreal. I live in Oregon and hate going to Portland for anything.

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    xrae00@...

    01/29/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Retirement is for the privileged and fortunate. With the economy on the verge of collapse many more of us will need to work until the day we drop dead. Others will take their retirement in sickness or poverty. Hope all of you who have plans for fishing and golfing and boating continue to pay taxes.

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    DebraDisneyDreamer

    02/10/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I live outside of Portland Oregon and am earnestly seeking a retirement location elsewhere. I am tired of the rain and the taxes keep climbing. True the taxes are much higher in such locations as NYC and LA but it is still higher than most of the rest of the country. I have done some research on this subject and have discovered quite a few Americans retire in such places as Guatamela, Belize, and Costa Rica. Very affordable housing, food, high quality medical. Retirees living there can live on or near waterfront. They can go to the larger cities for culture such as music and dance. And some can even afford a full time servant. And they are able to afford to fly home to see the grandkids or have them come spend summer vacation with them swimming, fishing, etc. I am undecided as I love cold weather,snow and skiing.

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    jimwp

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    Fallbrook, CA

    Nobody seems to know about Fallbrook, CA. It is so beautiful, like living in the hills of Tuscany and best weather in the USA! Newer homes are selling for $150 per square foot and condos for $100. Many golf courses in the area with rates from $25 to $60. We are only 15 miles north of Escondido's cultural arts center, 45 miles to San Diego, and 20 minutes to the beach in oceanside. This place is paradise!
    If you want more info you can call me at 760-451-1753.
    Jim Price

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    bigskies

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    WDDALLAS is spot on! That said, however, to all of you who are suggesting moving to another country, such as Belize, Costa Rica, or Mexico - you need to think deeper than just the low cost of living. With low cost of living comes quality of life issues....

    I lived in Central America for 3 years, and by the time I left - I was looking at the retirement crowd flocking to the area and shaking my head. They had no clue about how blessed they were to have been living in America, where you have rights and protections. The "Policia" are more often than not completely corrupted. You'll have to learn when to bribe to avoid JAIL, and when NOT to bribe to avoid Jail, and to know which circumstance requires which response. Did you know, for example, if you ARE jailed (and there's nothing the policia like more than to see a gringo or gringa go to jail.. it means $$$$ to them) - you better know someone in town who can bring you clothes, toiletries and FOOD, or you go without? What ARE your rights? Do you HAVE any?

    And construction quality - is your "dream home" safe? Would it withstand an earthquake or hurricane?? Are there any legal guarantees if your house becomes a lemon?

    What is dental care and medical care like? Is there an ambulance service?? I was never in trouble with the law while living in Central America, but I had missionary friends who went to "minister" to jailed Americans, and bring them food.. and their stories were frightening. You can be accused of just about anything! I was rejected for getting my driver's license because I was wearing a "skort" (skirt/shorts - for golfing), because it was deemed shorts, and therefore inappropriate. They would not help me.

    Central America is a drug haven, which brings crime with it, and as well - you'll also see dog and animal neglect and abuse like you never have before. So prepare yourself.

    Lastly, I've lived in 3 other countries on 3 continents. The only country that I felt provided extraordinary safety, adequate health care, and clean healthy living was Okinawa. However, the cost of a gallon of gas there might throw you for a loop! Not to mention it is on the "ring of fire" (earthquake fault).. typhoons hit regularly.. and there is one historical tsunami on record..so the potential for that is there as well.

    Europe - absolutely breathtaking, loved the people, our home, the history, and travel opportunities... but you start missing the good ol' U.S.A. after about the first 2 years. The muslim population is growing, and bringing with it anti-western sentiments that the local governments avoid doing anything about so as not to appear "prejudice" - and thus relations between Europeans and Muslims is festering to an ugly state. I saw several incidents of suspicious behavior by groups of middle eastern men that made us feel extremely unsafe.

    In my 12 years of living in 4 countries - the only country that felt close to home was the Netherlands (southern/western areas).. but the anti-western Muslim population is growing there, too. Country living in Europe, though, is superb.. but again... what are your rights? What are your health care options? Dental? Legal system??

    Bottom line people - kiss the ground of America and thank God that you were blessed to be born here. While you're sitting there dreaming of some fantasy location to live out your days, remember that people from where you're thinking of going to are begging to go to America. Thank God that you have rights, protections, the best medical care in the world, and can call America home. It is NOT always greener on the other side....

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    doug.eaves

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    Love it or Leave it? I love that I left.

    @ Bigskies, please leave your ignorance, prejudices, and bigotry in the US when going overseas. Comments like yours make life difficult for those of us who live overseas and constantly have to explain that the majority of americans are totally ignorant about anything that is outside of the lower 48." Just what are you implying by posting asinine comments like "the muslim population is growing, and bringing with it anti-western sentiments"? Did you talk with these Muslims about why they may have anti-western sentiments? Did you read something other than a story by a right-wing bigoted Europhile journalist or a ghost-written piece of anti-Muslim propaganda by a 'former' Muslim? And just what do you mean by "I saw several incidents of suspicious behavior by groups of middle eastern men that made us feel extremely unsafe." Were these groups of Maronite Christians from Lebanon who were standing around looking suspicious? Or, maybe it was a group of young Orthodox Jews who were standing around looking suspicious. But you mean Muslim men, don't you? What were the men doing Bigskies, talking? That certainly is suspicious isn't it? You know what they were talking about? They were saying, "It sure would be nice if the people would stop staring at us and looking like we are about to self-detonate ourselves." That's what they were saying, because my Muslim students here in Tokyo face the same kind of racism on a daily basis that you've amply demonstrated by your remarks, and which characterizes the same sort of racism shown by the Dutch Right, who happen to be in the country where you felt most 'at home.' Small wonder. Too bad you didn't get a chance to live in South Africa during the 1950s and 1960s. You would have surely felt you'd reached the land of milk and honey.

    But back to your ignorant bigotry and why you shouldn't leave the usa anymore. First, if you are too stupid or too arrogant about the local customs, then you deserve what you get for being a stupid and arrogant american. Do you see Japanese businessmen pissing on the side of buildings on 52nd Street? No, but they would think nothing about pissing on a building outside of Shimbashi station here in Tokyo. Despite their racist attitudes and overt bigotry toward other Asian people, they at least understand that the 'rules' are different in New York than they are in Tokyo. And about the 'drug haven' in Central America, where do you think those drugs are going? To the 'favelas' of Mexico City and Managua where those who live on less than a dollar a day spend their time snorting 90% pure Peruvian flake all day and night? Think again, nitwit. It's all going to the usa, except for the little bit that can get up to the drug-starved Canadians who get hooked on China White instead, which unfortunately results in physical addiction and other health problems common to junkies. But the American coke-head (and that's coke, not crack, because you know what that means, right?) can go about living respectable lives until one day, there's no more money, no more family members around, and the county sheriff just nailed an eviction notice on the door because the American coke-head forgot that just because you feel like you are a god, doesn't mean that you are one. And that's a very stupid mistake to make in a country that frowns on those who don't pay their bills on time, or especially if they don't pay them at all. Anyway, that's why Central America is a 'drug haven:' it's to make sure that the market can supply enough norteamericanos with Colombia's #1 export product, so they can feel like gods as long as they can pay their bills.

    But back to your disgustingly racist statements about Muslims and middle eastern men. You don't even know any Muslims, do you? What exactly do you mean by suspicious behavior? Were they speaking in their native language and acting according to the customs of their homeland? You don't know do you, because you wouldn't be able to distinguish Arabic from Farsi from Urdu. So, before you start labeling peoples' behavior suspicious, try to remember that they are not ignorant European Americans acting strangely, but are a group of men from a culture about which you know nothing. You disgust me, and it's people like you who are the reason I left the usa 13 years ago because there is no hope for you. I don't even think an advanced re-education program inspired by the late Pol Pot would help you.

    Do you know why their behavior seemed 'suspicious' to you? Besides the US mass media propaganda that has brainwashed you, the men were standing close together, about 18 inches apart, rather than about 30 or 36 inches apart, because spatial distance between people in a social setting in the Middle East is half of that common to people in Europe and North America. So when you see a group of Muslim men standing around, it looks suspicious to you because they are standing so close together, which must mean they are plotting something to make you feel unsafe. The only 'unsafe' thing is your complete ignorance about their culture. Do you know why they are in the Netherlands and many other European countries, and in Japan as well? Because the young natives of the developed world decided to stop having babies a few decades ago. After all, it's more fun to f*** around and live a hedonistic life than to raise a family. Or, I think it is anyway. But the numbers back me up. There are simply not enough members of the native populations of the developed countries to do the low wage hard work jobs that need to be done. That's why the college from which I just retired has 98% of a student body that consists of international students. And maybe about a quarter of them are from Muslim countries in Asia. And you know what else? My Muslim students are the kindest, gentlest, and most thoughtful students that I've taught in a career that includes 7 years as a university instructor in the usa and 13 years as a college professor and administrator in Japan. I've taught students from every continent except Australia, easily covering at least 50 or 60 different countries. And besides white american students, I've found my Japanese students and colleagues to be the most ignorant about other cultures, although the Chinese and Korean students are not far behind. Part of the reason over here is geographical: There are only three main groups in Northeast Asia: Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. You might include the couple of million Russians who live in Vladivostok, but they don't count themselves as Asians and no one else does either. There are also some indigenous groups that were 'ethnically-cleansed' northward when those three main groups staked out their territorial homelands thousands of years ago.

    It's a pretty far hike from Tokyo to Hanoi, so there's not a lot of knowledge about the Vietnamese. Some of the swinging businessmen here in Tokyo will know a little about Filipino culture because they've spent some time with some cute young Pinay working in the sex trade here, and some will have gone on a 'sex tour' to Bangkok back in the good ol' days when Japan Inc. could do no wrong. But a few got STDs and when they gave it to their wives, it kind of fell out of favor among the packages offered by travel agencies, so that meant another squandered opportunity for the insular Japanese to learn about other cultures. It's no wonder you felt comfortable and safe in Okinawa. It's basically just one big US military base. The majority of Okinawan people don't like it, but so what? The decisions are made in Tokyo. The American servicemen stationed in Japan usually just rape underage Okinawan girls or murder bar owners, neither of which are a big constituency for the heavy-weight metropolitan politicians, journalists, and fixers in Tokyo. An overweight white woman would definitely feel no threat from anyone in Japan, but you might feel a little uncomfortable about the nervous giggles you hear every now and then when you ask why everyone looks alike, or wonder why they put soy sauce on everything and not ketchup.

    As for the Russians on Sakhalin Island and the Kamchatka Peninsula, no one counts them as Asian, most of all themselves. I know, I've taught a couple of them. Their heritage is European, and they make damn sure you know it, too. Why? Racism again, but this time with a Russian twist, meaning that the Russians west of the Urals are Europeans, while those east of that mountain chain are Asian, meaning they aren't 'as good' as Europeans. They have neither the sophistication nor beauty that Eurpeans possess. And what's wild is the Northeast Asian people have bought this reasoning hook, line and sinker. I look Italian, and that happens to be a popular appearance, especially since my body mass ratio is 20, I have the profile of Michelangelo's David, and I stand 6 feet tall. So, although I could easily fit into your group of 'middle eastern men' when talking with my fellaheen students and would be a suspicious character, I also have to endure the constant stares by lonely middle-aged woman and adventurous young ones. And then there are the stares of nearly-concealed resentment from short, stumpy , and round Japanese men who see me and know that they will never get the advantages that I have, simply because of my physical appearance. This place makes me sick, and I'm finally able to relax knowing that this Saturday I'll be moving from here to India. It may be huge pain, but I've endured worse in the usa I'm sure, and I know how to tie a sharp-looking turban so I shouldn't be too obvious an outsider among the masses in Jaipur, Rajasthan. Japanese culture is the only culture in the 'old world' that places more value on the superficial surface of something, or someone, than even those masters of design, the Italians, from where half of my genetic code comes. But I feel as much connection to Italians as I do to the Yanamamo in the Brazilian rain forest. In other words, I know nothing about either culture so I'm pretty hard-pressed to say why Italians are said to be so focused on external appearance. But they are famous for it, and it's certainly not because of their ability to discuss articulately in English aesthetic principles, elements of design, and their theories of what 'works' and what doesn't.

    It seems I've strayed from the topic once again, which was my wish that you keep your ignorant ass in the usa so you don't go ruining things for americans like me who happen to like NOT living in the usa. So, it's no mystery why those two bright fellows wrote nearly 50 years ago, the book titled The Ugly American. No, it wasn't about physical appearances, but attitudes, attitudes just like yours that measures every other culture and country by those of the usa. Well that's fine for you, but please don't spread your ignorance in public forums because it can make life more difficult for those americans such as me, who live among the other 6.4 billion people on this planet. No one likes an ethnocentric boor, especially one who openly displays an ignorance and arrogance that many would find offensive. I certainly have, and I'm an american, too.

    The racism in Japan actually works to my advantage in some ways though. My height advantage, attractively proportioned body, and Roman countenance allow me to do whatever I damn well please over here, simply because of that physical appearance. For example, it's against the law to smoke on the streets, but I smoke whenever I want and when a policeman walks by, he turns his head the other way. My students from south and southeast Asia might be doing nothing, but the racist cops can take them to the station where they have to sit all night trying to convince those racist cops that their papers aren't forged. Why? Because many of my students are from poor south and southeast Asian countries that have no opportunities for young people, just like in southwest Asia, and your 'group of middle eastern men.' The south, southeast Asian, and Chinese students are here to fill seats in colleges that have seen their domestic market cut in half in twenty years (from 8 million in 1985 to 4 million in 2005, for traditionally aged college students). This demographic group is also the one that is the main source of labor for low wage, low skill, hard work jobs in any developed economy, you know fast food, convenience stores, restaurants, night shifts in warehouses, the fun jobs that everyone should do sometime in their lives to know how much those jobs suck. So, most of my international students are getting screwed twice. They have to pay tuition, then they get student visas so they can work "28" hours per week at those lousy jobs that pay about 20 times what they would make in their countries, but it costs 21 times as much to live in Tokyo as it does in their hometowns. So, they are getting screwed.

    I know because I was a young and poor american 30 years ago. I had most of my undergraduate university paid for by the government because I've always been an excellent student, but after I graduated I worked in convenience stores for 3 years and an aircraft parts factory for 4 years. Why? I had no money to buy clothes or a car, and I couldn't get any credit in Reagan's Morning in America economy because I didn't own anything because I'd never made enough money to buy anything (which suggests his Alzheimer's disease was much more advanced than what the public was told if he thought 1984 was 'morning in america': the guy didn't know if it was 1954, 1964 or 2014, he just read his lines and said, 'Is is lunchtime Mommie?') So, after 9 years of graduate school, which the government generously paid for once again although I had to teach university courses in exchange for their largesse, I got the hell out of the usa before I got screwed again, or had to deal with anymore ignorant racists like you. So, I guess it all depends on the perspective of the individual. You want to kiss the ground in the usa and I think you are kissing a pile of s***. You see a 'suspicious group of middle eastern men' and I see some young guys who are sick of being exploited at their dead-end jobs while blue-eyes stare at them everywhere they go.

    You are right about one thing, and that's many of my students would love to go to the usa. And I encourage them because as much as I dislike the land of my birth and citizenship, I also know that my Southeast Asian and South Asian students would face much less racism in the usa than they do here in Japan. And if they work as hard in the usa as they do here, they have a slightly better chance of being rewarded for it, while here, they really don' t have a chance unless they open their own business. That's a sad fact about Japan. It is more racist than the usa, in its own way of course. And so, I will retire in India starting Saturday. Please wish me luck, so I don't have to return to the usa and deal with bigoted racists like you. You're just one of the millions in the 'greatest country in the world, god bless america' that have been brainwashed by american mass media and the former executive administration of assorted thieves, idiots, and mass-murderers who wanted a permanent base in the Land of Oil so they ratcheted-up the anti-Muslim paranoia. And it worked. When my first Muslim students came to the Tokyo college where I was academic dean, principal, and professor, and from which I recently retired, I found myself being nervous for no reason. I had 3 Muslim students in my classroom, and all the sudden, certain actions or facial expressions would make me a little nervous. This didn't happen with my Chinese students or Vietnamese students, so why did it happen with my Bangladeshi students? It was simply the association of their faith with the twisted propaganda the usa mass media has used for years to demonize the Other. And it worked. But I understand these things, so I got to know those three guys really well, and they turned out to be my best students, and I still keep in touch with them 4 years after they graduated. How many Muslim people or 'middle eastern men' do you know? How many Muslims, or 'middle eastern men,' have you talked with? How many Dutch people that you knew had Muslim friends? Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world? None, none, none, I don't know, right? See, you are ignorant. So, stay in the usa where you belong. We don't want you here.

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    Edwardian2

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Princess Anne Maryland is a quaint historic town with two nearby universities, the U of Maryland Eastern Shore and Salisbury University. 30 minutes to Ocean City and the pristine beaches of Assateague (with the wild horses). 3 hours from Baltimore, Washington DC, Philadelphia and Williamsburg. Two hours from Annapolis, Wilmington, Cape May and Virginia Beach. Active historic groups, slow pace, no traffic, mild winters, plenty of shopping etc in nearby Salisbury. Near the Chesapeake Bay and four rivers for boating/sailing. Beautiful historic homes going for very low prices.

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    Edwardian2

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Oh, and did I mention very low taxes in Princess Anne?

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    MMROWLAND

    04/06/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    After reading all the pros and cons on the best retirement places I decided to stay put for the following reasons:
    . Moving is too expensive.
    . My sons and their families live within a 1/2 hour drive from my apartment (close but not too close!)
    . Manhattan is a 1/2 hour drive from my town or a 1/2 hour ride on a very comfortable, clean train...which means I'm close to best city in the world - where else can you find places like the MOMA or the Metropolitan Museum, Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall, Broadway shows, Fifth Avenue, Central Park and health care centers like NY Presbyterian (Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center) within a few square miles? Should I also mention that there are senior bus, subway and train fares in NY? The Westchester Bee Line offers free transportation for seniors who want to go to church, see a doctor, go grocery shopping, or attend any of the free senior activities that are available within the county.
    . Being close to NY city is the best antidote for Alzheimer's
    . For those of you who are thinking of moving to a foreign country, let me tell you that bringing your dollars in to buy your dream home or apartment is very easy but getting them out if you decide to sell it is extremely difficult. Trust me "I've been there and done that"
    A Latin American immigrant who's very happy to consider the USA her HOME and being close to NY city the best retirement option!

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    Carlch

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    I am "considering" a move from the San Francisco area (where I can no longer afford to live) to Portland, OR. I am well aware of the long winters and rain. I have looked at several wonderful new condos in the downtown Portland. I am impressed with the city's public transit, cultural events, (symphony, ballet, museums) wonderful parks etc, which I love and find stimulating. All of my visits to PDX have been positive and yes, there was a lite rain a few visits. Portland seems much safer than San Francisco and not as frenetic.

    Comments please.

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    pyrdogs

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Princess Anne and the Hood Canal are interesting ideas, will check 'em out.

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    nwooden

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    try N central MO, taxes on our 4 ac. and home is 277.00 yr
    good people and quiet. look at upwithethel.blogspot.com

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    shermanroeder

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    doug.eaves I enjoyed reading your response.
    shermanroeder@yahoo.com

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    shermanroeder

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    To: doug.eaves, I very much enjoyed reading your response to bigskies. I also share your views. Best wishes on your retirement. shermanroeder@yahoo.com

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    AnitaNC

    05/11/10 | Report as spam

    Best Places to Retire

    To: doug.eaves

    Mr. Eaves, like Mr. Roeder, I agree with most of your
    views; and appreciate the fact that there are Americans who
    have had the time and ability to become truly educated.
    You have much to offer the world, so I am saddened to hear
    the pain and anger in your tone. I wonder about the details
    of your story ... it would make a very good read.
    Additionally, a blog as to the experiences you encounter in
    India would be well received by some of us here. I am one
    who will stay put (in NC) due to lack of means for
    alternatives, and love to hear about the world out there.

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    mrturtle

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Retire to a college town -- "communiversties" provide a lot of activities for seniors (sports, taking a few classes, volunteering, etc.). The energy of the students is infectious, and college towns have a nice rhythm in that they slow down a bit during the summer and holidays. There are books on the subject.

    Check out this website for Manhattan, KS:

    http://www.manhattaned.org/index.aspx?nid=246

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    flapasorider

    05/11/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    The best place for me! The Villages at Sumter County, Florida. Is paradise!

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    jfbrady

    05/13/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Great stuff in this article, along with the helpful comments. I agree about Princess Anne. nice place. A quick update on Topretirements.com since this article was written. There are now reviews of 516 towns and 918 active adult communities. Also, we lowered the price of "100 Best Retirement Towns to make it more accessible. Thanks for the coverage, and good luck to everyone in finding their best place to retire - it's out there somewhere!

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    growup

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    Growup

    Hey Doug.eves leave the lady (Bigskies) alone, and quit throwing around your racist/bigot attacks. Your painting of Marines on Okinawa as all murderers and rapists is in the best traditions of communist propaganda. Save it all for someone who cares about your liberal nonsense. Your infantile post has got to be the most self-absorbed, holier-than-thow America hating blather I have heard in a long time. Congratulations. I'm sure you being a liberal you would like us all to go to the Pol Pot re-education centers you mentioned so we could be as "enlightened" as you. Enjoy India. Hope you find enough young boys to keep you happy. Don't come back here - ever, loser.

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    Pirate Jo

    05/27/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    "The best place to live is where your children and grandchildren
    live.
    I kind of feel sorry for people that do not have that, except for
    those that CHOSE to make money rather than have a family.
    That is sad, really."


    I didn't choose to make money OR have a family. Children are expensive, irritating, leaky, noisy, and they speak jibberish.

    And making gobs of money takes too much work! Fortunately, because I don't have kids, I don't have to worry about it a whole lot.

    I'm not moving anywhere when I retire. My friends (the family I chose for myself) are all here. Most of them don't have kids either. We will keep looking out for each other and will still be riding our bikes when we're in our 70s.

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    doug.eaves

    05/29/10 | Report as spam

    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Hey @ Growup, I'm too busy keeping in touch with my wife and mistress in Tokyo to entertain an amorous relationship here in India. Besides, I don't get off on same sex intimacies. But since you brought it up, maybe you should check out your own latent homosexuality, since that could be the reason why you replied to my comment with such vitriol. I've lived overseas for 13 years and know what it is like to be a resident in a country other than the usa. Bigskies' six months in some place are a long vacation. She knows nothing about living in a foreign country. As mentioned, her ignorance about the cultures of the places she visited would prevent her from ever understanding those places where 'suspicious' activities are occurring on street corners. As for my racism and bigotry, well, you don't even understand the concept of racism since I have no dominanation over others, meaning that I can't have a racist attitude toward them. As for the bigotry, well, you go me there. Thirty seven years being surrounded by stupid americans like you instilled that unseemly characteristic in me. I'm working on it. By the way, I live in Japan and India, and visit family in the usa. But don't worry, I won't be a resident again of the usa in this lifetime. If I'm really bad though, I may come back in the next life as a person like you. To me, that would be hell.

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    doug.eaves

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    To AnitaNC, please forgive me for the anger and derogatory language I wrote in the post in reply to bigskies. After 4 years of hearing daily complaints from my South Asian students about the racism they faced in Japan and remembering all the injustices and dehumanizing treatment that my African American friends in the usa faced, my passion about the matter sought an outlet. Bigskies touched a nerve, shall we say.

    As I've found over the years, my calm objective scholarly writing is easily dismissed as the musings of a professor in some dusty old office who sits around and reads arcane books about the structural inequality in mature capitalist societies. In others words, I can put people to sleep when I write like that. So, to get attention I let my feelings guide my writing rather than my reason. Of course, those feelings have been shaped by my experiences Howeve, those experiences have been objectively analyzed and evaluated in a professional manner, the basis for that being 9 years in graduate school studying sociology. But tell me the last time you replied to a comment by a tenured sociologist. You haven't, would be my guess, because the issues they tend to write about are so specialized that only one with a vast amount of background knowledge about the topic could even comprehend what the author was writing. And that's provided you could stay awake while reading it.

    Just the same, I apologize if you were offended by the anger in my comment. I realize that such provocative language ultimately does little good to improve the many injustices in this world. So, maybe after a few months in the land of the Mahatma, Siddhartha, and Mahavira, I'll calm down a little bit and try to replace some of that anger with constructive criticism. That's what I hope anyway. And yes, I am keeping a journal of my travels, which will take me back to Japan in about 3 months to visit the mistress and then to the usa, probably for my last visit there to visit my 85 year old mother and my older brother, neither of whose health is very good. After that back to Japan for a while and then to Morocco or Tunisia. So, If you wish I'll keep you updated from time to time on how the people live in the places I visit, since I don't go where the tourists go. I go where the people live and I stay in their neighborhoods and I get to know them. On an individual basis, people have been very nice to me in Japan, the Republic of Korea, China, Vietnam, and India. I even meet very kind and friendly people during my infrequent travels to the usa. Anyway, thanks again for your comment and I'll keep in mind the negative impression my anger can create. It's really counter-productive to the purpose of my writing. I appreciate your wisdom, intelligence, and constructive criticism very much. take care. Kindly yours, doug eaves

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    Chilongola

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Just want to comment on bigskies notes. Our prison is run by a christian missionary type organization. The drugs pass through Belize on the way to your market. Our medical facilities are very high. We are the jewel.

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    arcap@...

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    Retirement takes planning

    Retirees eventually need good medical assistance; in time we all become geriatric. It is a condition that can prevail for 20 or more years. My brother, a long distance runner throughout life; never over weight, ate well and lived well ? he died of neglect in a lovely Latin American location. The onset of Alzheimer?s prevented him from making good decisions. There are thousands of places that are wonderful in spring and fall that are intolerable in winter and summer. My advice is to travel to your wonderland at the worst time of year; then decide if it is a retirement paradise. Retirement is a serious game. It needs planning and practice. Once you have sold the farm or the urban homestead, you cannot buy it back.

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    doug.eaves

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    arcap@ you have my sincere sympathy for the loss of your brother. But we do not all become geriatric. I've lost friends from murder, chronic alcoholism, drug overdoses, and car wrecks before they reached age 45. My father died at 53 from mistakes made in a hospital by negligent doctors. We never know when the time comes. Too many people I've known live their mature years in fear of becoming incapacitated, so they don't live today but spend their time worrying about tomorrow. To me that is not living, but waiting for infirmity and all the misery that comes with it. I'm not critical of those who choose to prepare for geriatric years, but I live each day as though it were my last, because it could be, after all. We will all die, there's no question about that. But how many of us really live how we wish each day? I applaud your brother and his decision to move to a place where I'm sure he found paradise for the last years of his life. He probably had no regrets either. I'm sorry for your loss, but something tells me he probably wouldn't have wanted to miss the opportunity to live in his paradise, regardless of the details of the ultimate outcome. Sooner or later, we're history. How would he have felt had he missed that chance to live in his paradise? Being in an environment that you love, if only for a while, can enlighten your entire life by the serene beauty that only nature can provide. Namaste.

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    doug.eaves

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    @coldiron, yes overseas living is eminently preferable for some of us even before we retire. Having lived and worked in Japan for 13 years, I recently retired at age 49. I'm India now where it's the 'off season' for tourism so a hotel room costs less than half what a tiny apartment in Tokyo costs. I'll visit wife and mistress on visits to Tokyo when visas expire, since I plan to keep my permanent residency in Japan, although it's way too expensive to retire there at such a young age. However, India, Morocco, Tunisia, Mozambique, Vietnam, Peru, and a few other attractive, inexpensive and under-rated places will allow me to live a carefree life in places where I can enjoy the people and their cultures, then return for a spell to Japan where rent is free, for a while (hehehe). However, unless you have 'gypsy' blood in you, I don't recommend it, because each new place is a learning experience and the ridiculous advice given by Lonely Planet and Rough Guide should be avoided at all costs. Their information is basically for young backpackers, so it's usefulness has been limited to knowing what and where to avoid, because if they recommend it, it's not for a retired person, but a tourist posing as a traveler. Avoid their recommendations at all costs. Ask the natives of the place, they will help you. And kindly adjust a little.

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    Rachel Elson

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    RE: The Real 'Best Places to Retire'

    Hi all,
    Just wanted to let you know that the 2010 version of the 'Real Best Places to Retire' has now been posted on the site. Please check it out, see what's changed, and let us know your thoughts.
    Thanks!
    Rachel Elson
    Managing editor, CBS MoneyWatch.com

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    Notte

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    To Doug Eaves: Now that you've calmed down a bit, you actually sound like a likeable, intelligent human being. However, the unrestrained rant revealed that, in some ways, you may be far more ignorant than bigskies whom you were attacking. For example, implying that Italians care primarily about outward appearances shows a real lack of understanding about their culture. I lived there for 19 years, and I observed that all over the country people mostly care for other people -- their families, friends, and strangers (who quickly become new friends). They use the term "bella figura" which may sound like an obsession with cutting a beautiful figure. But it actually means how one behaves and treats other people. It is a shame that you have disconnected from your ethnic background, because if you hadn't, that rant probably wouldn't have happened. It presents you as having a "brutta figura," one which leaves an ugly feeling or aura about you. This may not be fair to you, but you did it to yourself!
    AND TO GROWUP: Too bad you think Doug Eaves is a liberal or a communist. He said nothing that would indicate that he is either of those things. It would be really helpful if right-wingers would understand what a liberal (or even a communist) is, because then they would appear to be much more informed and politically savvy by not using those labels on people who don't truly represent either of those philosophies.
    And Doug....
    By the way, in my 19 years in Italy, the only times I had any problems (attempted rape, attempted robbery, and an actual theft) were all committed by middle eastern men (in Milan and Perugia). But I also had good friends in Italy who were muslim/arab/africans and black africans. I am not prejudiced, but I can understand why one of my Italian friends (in Italy) said that Italians don't like the "muselmani," because they perceive them as a threat to their culture. Other of my friends there have the opposite attitude. It's a mixed bag which is still evolving. I personally feel that if you immigrate to another country, you should be willing to embrace its culture, language, values, and lifestyles. If not, you are just there to exploit them for your own ends. I didn't set foot in Italy (even as a tourist) until I learned the italian language. BUT MAYBE THIS IS THE REAL KEY TO DECIDING WHERE TO RETIRE: Live someplace where you can really embrace the culture, whether it is France, Japan, India, Italy, Texas, Saudi Arabia or Maine. Don't base your decision on the weather. You should be someplace that you really feel is home.

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    JBL55

    06/22/10 | Report as spam

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    dear gertruded,

    You said on 07/24/09, "The best place to live is where your children and grandchildren live. I kind of feel sorry for people that do not have that, except for those that CHOSE to make money rather than have a family. That is sad, really."

    I don't have children, and I didn't choose to not have them -- it's just the way life worked out.

    One of the difficulties those of us who are childless-not-by-choice is enduring the attitudes of those who were fortunate enough to have the children they hoped they would.

    If I believed all the pitying condescension I've endured from people like you, I would have jumped off a bridge or stuck my head in an oven years ago.

    But you know what? It's possible to live a good, productive, and useful life without having reproduced oneself. In fact, I'd venture to guess that those of us not blessed with children have been able to do an awful lot for others, maybe even more than those who pity us so much.

    I'm tempted to say something rude in conclusion, but my sainted mother would be disappointed in me, so I won't.

    But I will say that I hope you keep your mouth shut if/when one of your children or grandchildren don't have chidren of their own, for whatever reason. None of us has any idea how God is using us, and that includes you.

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    doug.eaves

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    @ Notte, Thank you very much for the constructive criticism. Your perceptions are on the mark. My self-loathing often interferes with analytical observations so they get twisted into a bigoted, anti-European/American rant. I generally write to please myself and my tastes. My prejudices and ignorances are expressed in a frenzy of hyperbolic verbosity. It can make for annoying reading I'm sure.

    Occasionally, I intentionally make a point that is an obviuosly ignorant stereotype to elicit intelligent comments such as yours. This helps me to correct the pathetic misperceptions of which I'm often guilty, but not always aware. So if I toss one out that I know is just wrong, perhaps this will help me to locate other patterns of flaws in my thinking and writing that have been detected by a perceptive and generous person, such as yourself. You corrected my mistakes and I'm very grateful to you for that. This is how I learn, through intelligent constructive criticism such as yours.

    As a side note, my maternal grandmother from Ancona, Italy had never seen an African (or African-American) until she arrived with her family in the usa about 100 years ago. She had no prejudices regarding people of that race, since they were not part of her reality until arriving in the usa. As a matter of fact, her first impression of African Americans was highly favorable, and it remained that way throughout her life in Memphis, Tennessee where they settled. An African American man helped her family escape in the middle of the night from a farm (plantation?) in Arkansas where they were working as 'share croppers,' although they seemed to go deeper into debt each month. They escaped by wagon to Memphis, TN, thanks to that kind gentleman who undoubtedly risked his life to help them.

    However, my mother told me that my maternal grandmother had a strong bias Sicilians. I don't know why. You correctly noted that I have no sense of an Italian heritage (nor do I have a sense of an Irish heritage either, which comes from the paternal side). My hertiage is american, and again, you correctly noted that I'm not so fond of that culture, but there is little I can do to change my feelings about that. We don't choose the family or the culture or the country into which we are born. We can change our country if it displeases us. But the cultural background one acquires when growing up is inside you for a lifetime. Some can accept it and nurture it (and become patriotic stooges), while others such as myself prefer to criticize the flaws and injustices that are perceived in that social system. Since I am a product of that social system, it is logical that my writing will appear as 'brutta figura', a term which I believe accurately and succinctly characterizes me as well.

    As for my ignorant comment about Italians being only concerned about surface appearances, that was meant as an exaggeration to support another point, at which I obviously failed. From the Golden Age of the Roman Empire, to the Renaissance and into the present day, Italians have made remarkable contributions to historiography, philosophy, science, medicine, architecture, engineering, literature, the fine arts (no, I don't in the least think they are only 'surface appearances'), among other areas of knowledge that bear little connection to something merely superficial. Cicero, Pliny the Elder, Gallileo, Da Vinci, and Marconi come to mind, just to name a few.

    Regarding an 'Italian heritage,' I have none. My mother and her siblings were raised as americans because my grandparents told them this is america, not Italy. Ninety years ago in the usa, state-sancitoned assimilation of Southern and Eastern Europeans into the dominant (Anglophone culture) was strongly promoted by most social institutions. In 1920, approximately 10 to 15% of the American population were foreign born. The leaders of US society feared a diversity that might (a) weaken their influence over the immigrant population, (b) present a problem for american Anglo-phone manufacturers who needed to make sure their workers could understand the Protestant Work ethic.

    None of my maternal grandparents' eight children learned to speak Italian, so within 2 generations in the usa, there was no knowledge of an Italian heritage that I could recognize. Part of that has to do with the fact that only 5% of the Italian immigrants to the usa settled in the Southern part of the usa, where mine did. There simply wasn't a large enough Italian community in Memphis, Tennessee 100 years ago to sustain an Italian heritage.

    Please accept my apology for the ignorant and bigoted remarks that color my writing. I don't proofread or edit very often, so your term 'brutta figura' is an accurate and succinct characterization of my writing, and myself as well (I'm not much on self-analysis; I'm more concerned with surface appearances; really.) I let all of my defects and flaws come through when I write. It's not a particularly effective way to communicate, and I'm working on improving it thanks to helpful comments like yours. I greatly appreciate that you took the time to give me some valuable insight into how my writing is perceived by an intelligent reader such as your yourself. Grazie.

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    robinvest1102@...

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    To Doug Eaves,

    I'm an American who totally agrees with you! The owners of media companies in the U.S. have an agenda and are brainwashing the American people.

    I was in India last year on business. You should start a blog - we need to listen to more people like you!

    Best,

    robinvest1102@gmail.com

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    barkip

    07/14/10 | Report as spam

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    To doug.eaves
    It was awesome, thanks man!

    I

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    Nancyth

    07/27/10 | Report as spam

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    The liveabilty list is definately a step in the right direction to help a retired person when considering a move to a new town. No one has the time or money to travel and check out all the areas that you list as the ?BEST? retirement place. If you added these liveable factors along with your Best Places to retire, It would save a lot of time, etc. if you also listed only 10 to 15 of these places with more details, adding the healthcare programs available and also the crime rate as some of us retired folk are alone and are hoping for a safe, affordable and friendly place to spend our GOLDEN YEARS. I too would appreciate any information you send me.
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    hamptonbeach

    07/28/10 | Report as spam

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    Tah-Dah!..Here it is! Our Day in the Life video! Adriana and I show you how we're building America's Toy-Friendly Community in Central Florida! We work 24/7 & love what we do--Building dream homes for Baby Boomers who love Big Toys and play hard (motorcycles, boats, RVs...). Enjoy & let us know what you think. Visit our Video Blog:

    http://www.lakeweirlivingblog.com

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    mossbluff

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    The economy and the lack of retirement savings is making boomers rethink how and where they retire. Friends are pretty happy where they live in central Florida. Lake Weir Living is a toy friendly community for outdoor enthusiasts. There's no crazy HOA restrictions or fees, and the homes (from the $90s) have toy-fitted gargages for big toys (boats, motorcycles, RVs...). Here, go to the blog for videos:

    http://www.lakeweirlivingblog.com

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    papaha

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    e economy and the lack of retirement savings is making boomers rethink how and where they retire. Friends are pretty happy where they live in central Florida. Lake Weir Living is a toy friendly community for outdoor enthusiasts. There's no crazy HOA restrictions or fees, and the homes (from the $90s) have toy-fitted gargages for big toys (boats, motorcycles, RVs...). Here, go to the blog for videos:

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    papaha

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    AreaVibes

    08/23/10 | Report as spam

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    Another good resource is http://www.areavibes.com. Various
    information for each city is provided, including: cost of living,
    crime rates, employment, transportation and even weather.

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    sarahandsam

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    I'm surprised Diamondhead, Hot Springs, Arkansas didn't make the list... We retired 17 years ago ? been in Diamondhead 15 years- and probably a couple of times a year we ask ourselves ?Is there any place we?d rather be??- and the answer is still no. We love to go to Destin, FL, Gulf Shores, AL, spend time in New Hampshire- but it?s always back here. I think one of the main draws for us is that we love the moderate 4 season?s climate. I don?t want to live in constant heat or cold all year round. We love the lakes here- the fishing part of it- Hot Springs has major fishing tournaments in jus the last few weeks, Lake Ouachita, Lake Hamilton, Lake Catherine- it?s just a big attraction. We also own an RV and do a fair amount of traveling to see our kids and the centralized location here is a big part of it too? You can get to a lot of places without having to drive for days and days. We just love the area, love the climate, would never leave? Diamondhead Gated Community is definitely a place you should look at...

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    samsunly55

    08/31/10 | Report as spam

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