The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

Just looking at the numbers, it’s hard to be optimistic about the job market in the coming years. Since the recession began in December 2007, the economy has shed approximately 7 million jobs, taking the unemployment rate to 9.4 percent. The total number of Americans who are out of work stands at 14 million, a 26-year high. Another 9 million find themselves in the category of involuntary part-time workers, a jump of 3.7 million in just over a year. That’s a staggering 23 million people in need of full-time work. Plus, the economy must create 125,000 jobs a month just to stay even with population growth, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It’s a daunting task for the healthiest economy, but the U.S. is still mired in the worst recession in 80 years.

If history is any guide, unemployment will continue to rise after the recession bottoms out, according to Steve Hipple, an economist with the BLS. The last recession began in March 2001 and ended that November, but the unemployment rate didn’t peak until June 2003.

Here’s the good news: Even within an ugly trend, there are millions of happy stories. In February, 4.8 million workers were laid off — but 4.3 million workers were hired. The key to being in the 142 million who held onto their jobs or the 4.3 million who got new ones is to make sure you’re positioned to be a winner. To do that, you’ll need a clear picture of what the new workforce will look like. And it’s shaping up to look very different.

Women Will Bring Home the Bacon

One key factor shaping the post-crash workforce is the relative ascendance of women. Since May 2007, the number of jobs held by men aged 25 to 64 fell by 4.7 percent a year; for women in the same age group, the loss was 1.7 percent. Women aged 55 to 64 gained jobs while every other group in the prime working years lost jobs. The gap in jobless rates between men and women has been increasing. According to BLS data, the April unemployment rate for men was 10 percent; for women, 7.6 percent. That 2.4 percent gap is an all-time high.

As the numbers suggest, it is male-dominated professions that have been hit hardest — construction has lost about 450,000 jobs so far in 2009, manufacturing has lost 1.2 million jobs since September 2008, and the financial industry dropped 352,000 from April 2008 through April 2009. “This recession has been much tougher on brawn,” says John A. Challenger, CEO of the global outplacement company Challenger Gray & Christmas. “Jobs in health care and education, in natural sciences and services — industries that have been more equitable in their hiring practices — will show much more growth.”

Take Action: Now’s the time to figure out which industries have the best prospects for job growth, where those industries are most likely to be located, and what it would take for you to be competitive in those job markets. Be prepared for significant changes over the course of your work life — not just new jobs but new careers.

“The opportunity cost for retraining is low now,” says David Autor, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “If you’re not working anyway or you’re working at a job with no future, now’s a great time to learn the skills for your next job. It’s a challenge to decide you’re going to invest time and energy in something totally different, but it’s the surest way forward.”

Just one example: Speaking at a conference in early June, former Environmental Protection Agency head Christine Todd Whitman said that Miami Dade College teamed up with Florida Power and Light to train nuclear engineers. The graduates had well-paying jobs as soon as they graduated.

Boomers Will Continue to Hog Jobs

Boomers have always been a hard-working group, clocking the highest participation rates in the workforce and inflating the job numbers of each age cohort they pass through. They are now between the ages of 45 and 63, and they’re still hogging jobs. The participation rate for 55- to 64-year-olds in May 2009 was 65.6 percent, a jump of 1.3 million workers over the year before.

Now this flood of boomers is approaching retirement age on the heels of a double financial whammy. They’ve seen a decline in the value of their homes, and 401(k) portfolios have fallen by 30 percent. The average 401(k) balance at the end of 2008 was $56,000, down from $78,000 in 2007. Their only option is to keep working.

The old guys are not only holding onto their high-seniority jobs at the expense of younger workers, but those who have already retired are pouring back into the market, taking jobs at the low end of the skill and pay distribution — stocking grocery-store shelves, clerking at fast-food joints, even working construction — the kinds of jobs traditionally held by young high-school graduates, according to Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. The result: The number of Americans 65 and older who are working has risen by 700,000 over the past two years, to 6 million, while the 16- to 24-year-old group has fallen by 2 million, to 18.3 million.

Take Action: If you’re a boomer, don’t be dissuaded from staying on the job — it’s the best way to make up the losses in your portfolio. “If you’re 60, you can work an additional two years beyond 65 to recoup the losses,” says Pamela Hess, director of retirement research at Hewitt Associates. “Or you can save 41 percent more a year, a near impossibility.” What’s more, that’s two years you won’t have to draw down your savings. And postponing Social Security until you’re 70 years old increases your payout a whopping 75 percent over what you’d receive at 65.

If you’re not a boomer, know that the big squeeze on your employment prospects isn’t permanent. “In the long haul, the labor market is very flexible and will accommodate the labor supply,” says Alicia H. Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College. And eventually the boomers will retire.

The Stimulus Will Reshape the Labor Force

President Obama promised the $787 billion package would add 3 million to 4 million jobs. Most of the funds are mandated to be spent in the next two years, but the impact in many areas will be much longer term. Here are four areas that will get a relatively quick hit from the package but also have the potential for longer-term job growth. (Click here for a breakdown of how all of the stimulus money is going to be spent.)

  • Government work: Teaching, health care, and public works construction projects will have direct infusions of stimulus cash. As a bonus, many existing jobs paid through federal, state, and local payrolls will also open up, since boomers actually have an incentive to retire from government work. Why? It’s one of the last strongholds of good, livable defined-benefit pensions, and workers who don’t retire and take the benefits are essentially working for free. It’s estimated that retirement from executive-branch federal jobs alone will total over 300,000 in the next five years, according to the Office of Personnel Management.

  • Health care: Despite the recession, the health care industry has been adding an average of 17,000 jobs per month. The demands of an aging population and scientific and technological advances in health care services will create even more new jobs in the long term. Stimulus dollars will flow into science and research projects as well as into support for local Medicaid expenditures, children’s health programs, and health-insurance premiums for laid-off workers.
  • Natural sciences: Research institutions will see more funding than they’ve had over the past five years combined, including National Institutes of Health, $10.4 billion; National Science Foundation, $3 billion; and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, $830 million.
  • Energy and “green-collar” projects: Well over $50 billion will be pouring into projects as diverse as mass transit, modernizing the electric power grid, and weatherizing government buildings. Long term, the industries that are nurtured by these research-and-development funds may well spark the next economic boom (not to be confused with bubble) for the U.S. economy.

Take Action: Go green. Don’t discount the idea of green-collar jobs just because it seems trendy and, well, because it’s hard to figure out exactly what green-collar jobs are. “One way to think of them is like blue-collar jobs on green projects,” Challenger says. Knowledge workers such as environmental engineers and architects will have new opportunities, too. “To conform to U.S. laws, green manufacturing plants will be built here rather than offshore if they want access to the funds in the stimulus package,” Challenger says.

Generous Wages and Full-time Work Will Seem So 20th Century

The 3.7 million jump in the number of part-time workers, to 9 million, is the hidden bombshell in the unemployment story. These increases are often a bellwether that more layoffs are likely, according to Susan Lambert of the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration. The BLS defines involuntary part-time workers as those who are working less than 35 hours a week because their employer has cut their hours or they can’t find full-time work. Today the national average workweek for hourly workers is 33.2 hours — “the lowest average work hours in 30 years,” says Lambert. “A lot of people who think they have full-time jobs are not getting full-time hours.”

This trend has been developing over the past 20 years as employers embraced just-in-time labor management, Lambert says. In retailing, for example, 70 percent of the store clerks were full-time 20 years ago; now it’s 30 percent.

As for wages, flat is the new raise. Other than a year-over-year uptick of 3 percent in May, wage growth has been pretty much stagnant for the past year. And according to research by Columbia University economist Till von Wachter, anyone who’s entering the workforce for the first time or has lost his job during a recession will suffer significant and persistent wage losses for years. “Typically, these workers will make 20 percent less for maybe 20 years, sometimes longer,” he says. “It’s not just supply and demand. There is something about being out of work and looking for a job that has an impact on earning power.” Nor is the impact limited to the unemployed. Workers who keep their jobs in firms that lay off large numbers of workers lose earnings.

Take Action: Presumably you’re doing everything you can to stay on the job, even if it means cutting back your hours. In the meantime, be prepared to be part of a more “flexible” workforce in the future by coming up with a contingency plan for freelance work, networking like crazy, and drafting multiple resumes that emphasize different skill sets.

Then schedule a meeting with your boss and make sure she thinks you’re doing as great a job as you think you’re doing. Worst-case scenario, you’re instituting an early-warning system. Best case, you’re first in line for a promotion when the economy finally bounces back.

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    HypnoToad72

    06/25/09 | Report as spam

    And yet more stores keep closing because nobody can buy much of anything

    Henry Ford had it right.

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    venkateshks515@...

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Hello

    In this economy - onle value creators can thrive. The maxim is - Create or Perish

    V

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    rickladd

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    The best thing you can do is make sure you're always learning, pay attention to how social computing is fundamentally changing the way we communicate and collaborate, and find innovative ways to apply your knowledge to your job or the job you'd like.

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    CreativePragmatist

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    I'm no billionaire but I've known too that smart people will go for the Stimulus because it's the only game going right now. Two weeks ago got a contract for work at the VA for a crew of 3 that came right when all else slowed to a trickle.

    The last 30 yrs our economy has been played, gambled on and stolen from, and is now in deep recession. Without the "Orwellian, (scary) socialist" Stimulus, we might just be in a Depression and the previous commenter selling apples on the street corner.

    Be smart, go on and get some of the Stim. Or you can go crazy and stock up with your gun and hold up for civil war.

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    joekotsch

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Anyone remember the lessons learned from the Rome?
    Lowering of moral standards leads to social decay and eventual collapse. Welcome to the brave new world. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

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    quovadis

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    the end is nigh

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    tramky

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    "If you?re not working anyway or you?re working at a job with no future, now?s a great time to learn the skills for your next job. It?s a challenge to decide you?re going to invest time and energy in something totally different, but it?s the surest way forward.?

    So says a guy from MIT. So exactly what skills are those? So many skills have been acquired, then dumped by employers, it's impossible to know what skills may survive interest by employers over the next week.

    I was skilled in PeopleSoft Version 7.3, then was laid off by my bankrupt, corrupt employers. Applying for technical positions with employers who were running PeopleSoft Version 7.5, the software 'release' that followed 7.3, was fruitless. That ended my 30-year technical career at age 55. Haven't had anyone interested in even talking to me about a paying job since then--seven years.

    Skills? Being incompetent but knowing someone is what matters. Companies are full of such employees--it's who you know, not what you can do for the employers.

    And I'm curious about another aspect of this article: the bits about sex discrimination against men that has become pervasive in the workplace. I saw this years ago, when I applied for a project management position and was told, flat out, by the male hiring manager that "I really think women are better suited for such work." I was floored, and that was the end of THAT interview. This was with a manager in my own company. Of course it was NOT my own company, it was theirs--the incompetent boobs who trashed knowledge & talent with great relish. Amazing. As one might expect, that company--at the time the second largest telecom in the U.S.--no longer exists. Driven into oblivion by lies & ethical failures of gargantuan proportions.

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    tramky

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    And yet a third curiousity in this piece: "There is something about being out of work and looking for a job that has an impact on earning power."

    What is that something? It must be that when you lose a job that you are considered, by virtually all employers, as a no-account loser who, well, couldn't hold a job.

    You are tainted, stained with ignominy and failure. That MUST be it.

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    eagle60523

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    It is clear that the person writing the article is in the age group of 'entitlement'. Boomers are not afraid of WORK and don't expect us to move out of your way, just because you said it's time for us to go out to pasture, so you can just WALK into a job.

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    jenyj89

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    I have a federal civil service job for 24+ years, am a boomer (48 years old) and my minimum retirement age is 56 years old. If my Thrift Savings Plan (govt version of a 401K) has recouped what it lost during this recession and my husband and I are able to work it out money-wise, I plan to retire at age 56.

    Unlike this article talks about, I really don't want to work till I'm 65 or 70, and surely not at this job. If I have to work, I get a job that doesn't require any "brain power"...such as an assembly line, or store stocker or any job where I can just do as I'm told and not have to really think alot (like I do now).....plus do it part-time, so I can spend the rest of the time doing as I please.

    I've worked since I was 12 years old and started baby-sitting to make money, then as a cashier in High School to pay for college, worked through college to have money to spend and got a job straight out of college. Currently I am undergoing chemo/radiation for breast cancer and working. It has given me a new outlook on life and work. Life shouldn't be about working yourself to death for a job...life should be about quality time for yourself and family too...not just working until you're too old to enjoy it. Too many times I hear of people putting off going down and applying for Social Security at 62 until they are 65 and then they die before they are 65....FOR WHAT???

    Live and enjoy what you earned...stop trying to be RICH. Be rich on your life, on your happiness and on your family. We have so much non-material things that we don't appreciate that maybe we should try to live more within our means and stop focusing on earning so much money all the time to live outside our means. I for one value my sanity and my personal time more than the money it gives me...so I hope that I can choose my earliest retirement.

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    clarkm

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Wouldn't it be nice to have a job where you can retire in your mid-50's with almost guaranteed pay and benefits from the government for the rest of your life. Get a clue jenyj! Most people have to work well into their 60's to survive, its not a choice, while you enjoy the benefit of a tax payer paid retirement for 30+ years. Did you realize you will be sucking off of this society for nearly as long as you actually worked? If everybody had a "mindless" attitude like yours we'd already be the socialist state that we're on course to become.

    I wish you the best in your battle with cancer, I truly do. But I have little tolerance for the current retirement options made available for civil service workers while I am faced with funding my retirement through my own sweat equity and no guarantees.

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    clarkm

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    BTW, I did work for a quasi-qovernment company in my first job out of college. It was a publicly held company but worked exclusively with government (DOE and DOD) funding. It was completely mindless. I was so bored and felt so useless I could only last 9 months. And the waste was so extensive it really cemented my opinions about government work and workers.

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    msnyder@...

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    If someone had come up to you 24 months ago and said, "Oh, did you know that in less than two years, GM and Chrysler will be bankrupt, Lehman Brothers will be gone, B of A will own Merrill Lynch and multiple previously trusted financial billionaire advisers will be under indictment?" how would you have responded? From a consumer and policy perspective, the collective corporate trust bank is overdrawn. If any company is still operating on a value proposition written before Q4 2008, they're headed for extinction.

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    Dryad

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Tramky has it right. The largest increase in unemployment is white males over 50, esp. those in high technology or management. In fact, Forbes had a cover story on this trend in 2005.

    All the green card workers who we brought in in the '80-90s have taken all US technology jobs over. The Islamists and Red Chinese have won. The country is Balkanized

    I was at Arthur Andersen, up for Partner, when it was shut down by a bad (later overturned by the Supreme Court) verdict. 85,000 people were out of work overnight. Not to big to fail. We just didn't owe anyone any money.
    Imagine walking around with that on your resume! Talk about the Scarlett Letter.

    Haven't had a decent job since. I'm going to law school!

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    ddesopo

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Commenter #5 Imagery-Member.com and commenter #7joekotsch, you are both spot on!!! The "Stim" is what puts folks on their knees to the gov't and the false messiah who will lead his mindless sheep to slaughter. If you do not make anything, create anything, you cannot grow. Time for America to start making things again and get back to the basics of what made this country great. Funny, the "big-picture thinkers" don't think very much these days. We have plenty of retrospective historic data to comb through. We are seeing the fall out when big gov't taxes businesses to extinction and cuts off our ability to use the resources we have right here on our own soil. Can't wait for 2010 to vote the greedy, power-hungry morons out office..and 2012 when we can rid ourselves of the big O!

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    jenyj89

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    clarkm...while I take some offense at your claim that my job is "mindless", I realize that there are many government jobs that are and perhaps you may have worked at one. My job is as the Hazardous Material and Waste Manager for a large AFB...not exactly a mindless job (at least in my humble opinion). I feel that I use my brain on my job every day and many days go home extremely stressed which is not good for my cancer. I am responsible for spill responses (even after hours), large $ contract oversight, haz waste disposal, supply purchases, writing base plans, sampling, reading analysis, regulatory interpretation, permit management, inspections, state inspections, HQ inspections and so on. Not exactly mindless!

    To correct your claim that I will "enjoy the benefit of a tax payer paid retirement" that is not exactly true. Under the FERS (Federal Employee Retirement System), that went into effect in 1984, when I was hired, our retirement is 3-pronged. There is the TSP (Thrift Savings Plan, like a 401K) that we can fund out of our paychecks up to 15% (it's optional for us to participate) before taxes and the govt matches 5%. The second prong is a Govt Employees Retirement that is taken out of our paychecks and put into a fund for us (we get no choice). The last prong is Social Security which we can collect when we turn 62 or 65, just like everyone else.

    So you see, I won't be enjoying a "tax payer paid retirement" because the tax payers won't have paid much of this government employee's retirement.....I will have paid FAR more money into my retirement than they will have!!

    When I took a government job 24+ years ago it was because the health benefits were good, the pay was good, the job was stable and it was a job doing what I liked at the time (drafting work on submarines). It wasn't until I had I had 10 years in that I starting thinking about any sort of retirement and realized that it was good and I should really start doing something about it.

    Not all goverment workers are mindless, lazy and in dead-end jobs just waiting to suck off of tax payers as you seem to imply. Please, don't generalize....give us a chance and do your homework about our retirement plans.

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    captainfun

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    What amazes me is that fact that no one has thought of this: How can the U.S. create 50,000 jobs and more? Take 50,000 jobs that have been outsourced to India & China and bring them back to the U.S.

    This can literally be done tomorrow -- Companies need to stop outsourcing. It's not better labor, just cheaper.

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    HypnoToad72

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    Responding to #9 above:

    I know boomers who retired in their early 50s and are
    p!ssed because of the stock market sell-out. They did
    everything right.

    And to #17 above:
    100% correct. That's all what it's about. And it certainly
    isn't better; not from my personal experience and most
    people will say the same thing. Quality has plummeted.
    Not a good way to build an empire OR reputation... at least,
    so the theory goes.

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    Katherine Crowley

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Thanks to the author for laying out the stats.
    It actually helps to see current trends in unemployement, hiring and salaries. We are definitely in a new era where the old way of building an economy won't and can't fly. I actually wonder about the viability of a consumer-based economy.
    This article helped clarify and revise my expectations in terms of earnings and job possibilities.

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    echazin

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Yes, certain industries are experiencing some growth but the cold hard reality is, we are reaping the results of 30 years of failed economic, political, and industry policies. Our academic institutions didn't work with industry to develop long-term planning, we off-shored, outsourced, and sold away our most valuable competitive Nation-State strengths for short-term profit. Meanwhile, our banks, insurance companies, and financial industries lied o and cheated us, all while politicians turned a blind eye to remain in power. This is the part you missed. The erosion in American institutions with a concurrent lack of commitment to the American worker.
    Ethan Chazin
    President
    The Chazin Group
    Ethan@TheChazinGroup.com

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    Alleen

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    #17

    You are sooooo right.. My job was outsourced to India, in
    fact my whole department. And the company I worked for
    was planning on outsourcing almost the entire staff of
    another department.

    During the presidential campaign, I emailed & wrote letters
    to both candidates and asked what was going to be done to
    stop the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries.
    The only response(s) I received were emails asking me to
    donate their campaigns. Unbelievable.

    Is anything going to be done about it, is the question. It
    needs to be stopped. If it can't be stopped, then it should be
    taxed very high, to discourage any more companies from
    doing it..

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    qsol

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    @ #17 - captainfun &
    @ #21 - Alleen

    Why do you seem to believe that outsourcing is a new phenomenon which India & China have pioneered now to get US employees fired?

    In even basic school economics we are taught that a country/region/individual should produce what it can produce best or cheaper, then sell/barter the excess to get what the others are better/cheaper at.

    This has happened since man invented the concept of trade. It is the basis of import & export. Then came services, now outsourcing, and there will always be something else. It will always go on.

    It seemed to be alright when America was doing the exporting so why is it so bad now that it is importing a bit?

    As shareholders of a company, what would you prefer:

    a) That they maximized their profits by controlling & reducing expenses so they can pay you a hefty dividend which you can save/pump into the economy

    or

    b) They buy expensive, pay less dividends and shrink the economy even more?

    You do realize that less profits mean less tax revenue for the government (to invest in infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc), less dividends for the shareholders and less reinvestment into the business?



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    BizTechNet

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    New job market? You mean the sheer lack of a job market, don't you? I'm 56 years old, very capable in a wide range of very salable skills, and I have spent most of my life in "part-time" "no benefits" work simply because companies were more concerned with hiring ten or twenty part-timers instead of four full-timers. Much cheaper... This has been so much a part of my life for over thirty years that I became a serial entrepreneur simply because, when no one would hire me for real work, I went ahead and created my OWN jobs.

    Maybe we could spend a moment or two considering which is more important to our futures:

    Would we rather be a shareholder of a mindless multi-national corporation that is more concerned with profits and dividends and is significantly unconcerned about American jobs, personnel, creativity/intellectual property, the American economy, and (get the idea?).

    Or would we rather be gainfully employed Americans with pride in ourselves, our ethics, our employers/employees, or productivity, as well as in our futures as individuals and as a nation?

    I can't believe that I'm actually sorry to say this but perhaps it's time to begin consideration of the people who DO the jobs and create value and quit blowing scarce resources on those who DO NOTHING to contribute to our society or our economy.

    Instead of yet another multi-billion dollar government handout to some politically correct third world dictator, maybe we should put that same money into educating Americans, WITHOUT slamming them into immediate debt on graduation with our fun little range of student loan scams. Maybe, instead of propping up an ungrateful, apathetic, and happy-in-the-stone-age third world country with the blood of our young people and with the taxes paid by the American worker, we should keep those same young people at home, alive, and productive and use those same taxes to re-build this nation. We have no right to help others when we're destroying Americans simply because we're too ignorant to help ourselves. (Can you spell Katrina?)

    I'm not isolationist, or racist, or sexist but I AM for setting intelligent priorities and I AM for rewarding those who take action to make this country, these people, strong and proud again. I am sick to death of seeing nearly-empty collection jars on the counters of local restaurants attempting to raise money for a desperately needed surgery to save some under-insured American while right next to them are jars overflowing with cash for a new football stadium. Get your priorities right!

    As long as our priorities involve distributing cash to anyone with a hand OUT, those who only ask for a hand UP are not going to be empowered to step up to the plate. As long as we continue to play out our greedy little special interest group myopia, we will never continue forward as "One nation under.." (anything but ruins). Remember that that group of people who merely want to be creative, do their jobs, live their lives, and be part of a family represents the vast majority of Americans and THAT group is the one taking the hit for nearly everyone else.

    The only way to change the existing system is for people to get off their behinds and make a stand. It is way past time that we began to demand--and expect--results from D.C. and from our state legislatures. No more political double-speak. No more politically correct B.S. No more lobbyists pushing laws that favor big business but do nothing for the American people.

    Either we're going to come out of this thing on top, or we won't. WE will be the ones to make the move toward a solution--US, the individual, one at a time and together as small groups, then as larger groups. No more games. No more soft-shoe dancing around the issues. We could very easily be in the final inning of our little experiment in democracy.

    I'd like to say more--or be more clear--but we have allowed incompetence, greed, irresponsibility, and sheer laziness to control nearly every aspect of our collective existence for too long.

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    captainfun

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    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Dear #22:

    It appears your subconscious mind spoke clearly to what you believe and what is truly happening:

    ?Why do you seem to believe that outsourcing is a new phenomenon which India & China have pioneered now to get US employees fired??

    I don?t think either of us made the assumption in our responses that this is a ?new phenomenon?to get US employees fired.? However, I?ve worked with outsourcing companies and this is precisely what they want to do.

    You go on to say: ?In even basic school economics we are taught that a country/region/individual should produce what it can produce best or cheaper, then sell/barter the excess to get what the others are better/cheaper at.?

    So, what exactly are they producing? They aren?t selling products or new inventions that are taking over the marketplace. They?re selling cheaper labor by learning what we do by infiltrating companies in the U.S., looking at their internal structures, how their processes work, how they conduct their business, etc. Then, the outsourcing companies use this information, put it in a PP presentation and attempt selling it as it was their own to senior level people.

    Please.

    Outsourcing doesn?t produce people doing excellent work or better jobs than American citizens can do here in the states. It produces cheaper labor. And that?s a fact.

    Outsourcing is a temporary fix. In the long run, it costs companies MORE money because the FTEs have to go back and correct/rectify the work that has been produced by the outsourcing companies because of language barriers, different ways of conducting business, etc.

    Companies are slowly learning that they?re getting what they paid for.

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    rscc99

    07/03/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Let's start rebuilding this once great nation from the top down.

    IN 2010 DO NOT VOTE FOR A SINGLE INCUMBANT!

    It's time for the people send a clear message to all future leaders that career politicians, concerned only with perpetuating their careers through buying votes with entitlements at the expense of those of us willing to work, will no longer be tolerated.

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    barbjvan

    07/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Everyone's view is different. I have worked in a variety of jobs including the public sector (which I totally agree with #11). My mother also retired high-level Civil Service with nice benefits but even with her job there is so much incompetence to deal with and jocking for position, not to the benefit of the job (because there is no accountability) and 62% of the work force is somehow related to government either directly (down to school teachers) or indirectly with major contracts.

    I wanted to discuss the continous Baby Boomer bashing. I have had to start over several times due to mergers and consolidations. As I woman, I am as qualified as a man and work many hours, but I have consistently taken less pay because I need the flexibility to manage a household and raise kids. My husband and I do basically the job, but I have a higher level of education. He gets twice the pay and works 30% fewer hours. This is why women are taking up more of the jobs, we get paid less, are more company loyal because we need the stability and are more detail oriented.

    As far as hogging the jobs, our company just reduced hours to 32/wk for hourly to maintain the jobs, got rid of bonus program, made no SEP contribution (our only retirement plan) and cut my pay 25% and I have increased by work week hours by 25%. My friends are saying the same thing is happening at their companies--this is the new world. You don't hear about this aspect, but we are hanging in there because at least we have jobs for now.

    Our younger new hires want to walk out the door at 5, want someone else to make sure that their workload is baby-sat and to follow up on every step that they make (so as a manager, you are doing your work and carrying a portion of their load as well). You ask them about a status of a project and/or when it will be completed and you never can get an answer...it never "is done" or so unprofessionally incomplete that it has to be redone. They are constantly looking for the easy way and don't want to roll up their sleeves and do grunt work. They want to go right to the CEO for discussions and by-pass all chains of command. So if I have an option to hire a 20+ or a 50+, guess who I will be hiring.

    I have been working over 35 years and I have never had a company with a stable retirement plan, this was the first with the SEP and it has gone to the wayside like many people's 401K plans. Will I retire at 60? Hardly.

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    The Blogger

    07/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    Back in the 80s, it was BBs that convinced me to acquire a degree in Engineering, which became all but obsolete within a few years. I?ve worked long hours (for BBs) and I achieved an MBA by taking classes at night (while raising a family, graduating with high honors, from an acredited university), while changing my career to Finance/Accounting .. and YEAH I had no choice but to work long hours for ?priority-retarded? ?work harder instead of smarter? baby boomers.

    Guess what? Hard work, long hours, innovative problem solving and higher education has not enabled me to overcome the glass ceiling BBs have erected. Further, I have experienced the snobbery of the BB generation as those in management give themselves permission to pretend they know WAY more than they really do and to reduce their own self-induced stress levels by emotionally venting on the younger generations ? and I can?t TELL you how many of the long hours I have spent doing mindless dog-and-pony Powerpoint presentations with pretty pictures to appease and explain basic business or technical concepts to the BB idiots.

    The whiny BBs I have come across in the companies I have worked for seem to feel they are entitled greater job security (and they get it from other BBs) simply because they have existed/survived in the same company/setting for 1.5 decades or so ? nothing to do with achievement, merit, etc. Meanwhile, their snobbery blinds them to the fact that working and building a career at the same company for such a period of time is a pie-in-the-sky pipe dream for the younger generations, since BB management hires and fires us like we were pieces of MEAT. BB management doesn?t deserve the younger generations? company loyalty or their going the extra mile for them because they have failed miserably to lead by example in this area (and I would advise any twenty-something or thirty-something accordingly). In all fairness, BBs should be fired, at least so they can have a turn at learning what it takes to conduct a job search in this market, if nothing else.
    On other fronts: You say you don?t like the economy? Who has been the major player in creating it? Corrupt management? Who is the lion?s share of that? Soaring national debt? Well, the BBs created most of it, but they?ll be long dead by the time we pay it off, if that?s even possible. How many BBs have I encountered that would honestly want their own kids to work in the environments that they have created? Zero!

    I recently read an article stating that the estimated generation gap in this country between parents and their teens is wider than it has been in our history. No kidding!!! You mean the tendency to emphasize looking good by staying late at the office has resulted in BBs losing touch with their kids?? I don?t believe it!!

    The BB generation has so badly become what they hated when they were younger. I agree with #25, but the incumbents that need to go so we can usher in change for the better are not only the politicians!

    Please keep all of this in mind the next time a younger generation worker who has been fired from his job because of the mistakes of BBs commits mass-murder in retaliation. It has happened throughout history when people lose all hope.

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    ramesh.uppara

    11/30/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The New Job Market: Who Wins and Who Loses?

    no comment i will do

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