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Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

By Allan Roth | Jun 30, 2009 |

With mortgage interest rates so low, one of the most frequent questions I’m asked is “should I refinance my mortgage?” In most cases, once I review the individual’s circumstances, my answer is no. That’s not to say I recommend keeping their current mortgage, but rather I suggest there might be a better alternative. And that alternative is paying off, or at least paying down, the current mortgage. Let’s explore.

A hypothetical client has a $200,000, 30 year fixed mortgage at a six percent annual interest rate. By going to Bankrate.com I found a rate of 4.875. Availing himself of this rate would offer the client an annual reduction of 1.125 percent, which is not too shabby in my book. Unfortunately, the APR (annual percentage rate) comes out to be a bit higher at 5.112 percent annually.

The difference comes down to the “F” word… fees. The bank charges a two percent origination fee (which amounts to $4,000) and additional closing costs of $1,319. The total bill is now $5,319, or an additional 2.66% on a $200,000 loan.

Mortgage brokers will be quick to assure borrowers that they shouldn’t worry about these fees, because they can build them into the loan. In other words, you end up borrowing $205,319. I’ve even heard mortgage brokers claim this was a no cost loan, though it’s anything but considering you also pay interest on the extra amount you borrow.

It’s still not bad because you’ll break even after only two years and four months. So, as long as you intend to keep the house this long, you’ll end up better off than if you had kept the mortgage.

Let’s pretend this mortgage is free

“Free” is one of my favorite words so let’s take a trip to Fantasy Island and say this mortgage has no closing costs whatsoever. This means the client would be able to get this loan without costs and would start saving 1.125 percent from day one. My advice might still be against taking it.

Say the client had a $500,000 portfolio that was invested 60 percent in stocks and 40 percent in bonds. This translates to having $200,000 in bonds which, may I add, is no coincidence. I’m a believer that bonds should be the shock absorber of a portfolio so I recommend bond funds like the Vanguard Total Bond Fund. This fund is comprised of U.S. government and investment grade bonds yielding 4.01 percent as of June 28, 2009.

Of course you could always earn more with funds like the Oppenheimer Core Bond Fund which Morningstar shows as having an 8.38 percent trailing annual return. Keep in mind, however, that the Vanguard Total Bond fund earned 5.1 percent in 2008, while the Oppenheimer fund lost 36.2 percent, or nearly the same as the U.S. stock market.

The point is that one should compare a mortgage against a low to no risk bond, since the increase or decrease on the value of your home is not in the least dependent upon how you finance it. So my advice to this client would be to either pay off the mortgage, or take out the new $200,000 mortgage at 4.875 percent, keeping this same amount in the Vanguard Total Bond Fund earning 4.01 percent. In doing so, they could essentially become their own banker and earn 4.875 percent by paying off the mortgage.

Quite often I get a response noting that the mortgage is tax-deductible so it’s really costing them far less. This is true, but omits the fact that the bond fund is taxable so they really are comparable.

My advice

Think of paying down the mortgage as investing in a risk-free bond that is likely paying more than you could get on an equivalent risk-free investment. If you’re wondering why you haven’t been advised of this before, it’s likely because practically no one has the incentive to tell you. Mortgage brokers want the commission on a loan and financial planners usually charge on a percentage of the funds they manage or commission. Pay off the mortgage, and you cut out the profits of the middlemen.

 
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    waynewargo

    07/08/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    A friend recommended that I visit the site and check out this article. I find it very interesting, but I seem to not understand completely what you are trying to say in the following paragraph:

    So my advice to this client would be to either pay off the mortgage, or take out the new $200,000 mortgage at 4.875 percent, keeping this same amount in the Vanguard Total Bond Fund earning 4.01 percent. In doing so, they could essentially become their own banker and earn 4.875 percent by paying off the mortgage.

    My question is: How can they earn 4.875% by paying off the mortgage. This does not make sense to me because of your pervious sentences in this paragraph. New mortgage is 4.875% and the previous mortgage at 6% is paid off. So far, so good. If the Vanguard fund earns 4.01 % and their mortgage is at 4.875%, it seems to me that the difference of .874% is the net percentage rate they are paying. So, it seems like the mortgage percentage is .874%. Am I missing something? This paragraph seems ambiguous to me. Please set me straight.
    Thank you.

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    By avoiding the 4.875% mortgage altogether, the client is 4.875% better off. If he could earn more than 4.875% annually on a "risk free" investment, he should make that investment instead of taking the mortgage. This is rare but has happened.

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    waynewargo

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Still not clear to me. The client has to have a mortgage, right? It seems like the client needs another $200K from somewhere.

    In your paragraph:
    So my advice to this client would be to either pay off the mortgage, or take out the new $200,000 mortgage at 4.875 percent, keeping this same amount in the Vanguard Total Bond Fund earning 4.01 percent. In doing so, they could essentially become their own banker and earn 4.875 percent by paying off the mortgage.
    The last sentence does seem to have anything to do with the rest of the paragraph.

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    ainmohd@...

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Allan Roth is a good writer but I'm not ignoring waynewargo's comments since Allan needs to explain further.

    I was in the accounting profession for more than 35 years and have two personal finance websites.

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    waynewargo,

    No - the client would not have to have a mortgage. What I'm suggesting in the column is "Maybe Not." Paying off the mortgage may be a much better alternative for the bond portion of the portfolio.

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    ainmohd@...

    ...and I've been a CPA for 30 years. In that time, I've done about 60 tax returns - one federal and one state each year. Don't overcomplicate things - this is simple.


    The interest deduction and the interest income make this an apples to apples comparison. Don't just take into account the deduction on the interest without considering that a bond's interest is taxable.

    I teach behavioral finance to CPAs for continuing education and you'd be amazed at how even a CPAs emotional biases result in paying more taxes.

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    waynewargo

    07/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    I can't see where you addressed my understanding. I still think that last sentence in the paagraph is unrelated. I am trying to understand but when I do the math, it does not agree with yours, as does the last paragraph. How about expanding your reply?

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Waynewargo,

    The last sentence reads:

    "In doing so, they could essentially become their own banker and earn 4.875 percent by paying off the mortgage."

    By not paying someone 4.875%, you are essentially earning this same amount.

    Many financial planners and mortgage brokers disagree, even though this is simple arithmetic.

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    kevinaom

    07/26/09 | Report as spam

    What not a Hybrid for Both

    Here is what I did in this situation. I had an opportunity to
    refinance for free, (yes, no charges, no charges added into
    the loan etc.) from the same bank I had my first loan. I was
    able to move the rate from 6% to 5. 125% for a 30 year
    fixed.

    So, I took it. However, I then amortized the loan over 12
    years (to ensure I did not get a lower rate by "adding
    years") and I am paying it off early. So, what is the big
    advantage of this?

    I now have built in "insurance". If I were to lose my job or
    something else comes up, my required payments are so low
    that they are not even an issue.

    So, in my mind, refinance to a lower rate if you can
    (without fees) BUT create your own amortization table and
    pay it off early for all the reasons stated above.

    Thoughts?

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Kevinaom,

    I generally agree with your thinking. Two alternatives, however:

    1) Pay off the mortgage and get a home equity line of credit as insurance.

    2) Pentagon Federal Credit Union has a 4.99% mortgage with true zero costs for terms up to 20 years. You may want to re-fi again.

    Hope this helps.

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    ildarad0

    08/09/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Hello,

    me and my wife have a 7 year arm mortgage on our 2 bdr 2 bath condo with 6,25%.
    we could not refinance when rates went down couple month ago. i feel responsible because my credit score went down because of 120 dollars payment to DELL. So from 780 i thin it went down to 620. Now 3 month later it is back up but sure think rates are up as well. can you please suggest what to do?
    We paid off principle to the point where we do not have jumbo mortgage any more. it is about $398.000 right now. my mortgage is $3582 monthly it is killing me.
    thank you
    IG

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    I don't know your particular circumstances but I'd look into a 4.99% twenty year zero cost equity loan from Pentagon Federal Credit Union - penfed.org

    By my calcs, it would not only lower your high rate, it would also lower your monthly payment to about $2,134.

    Again, this is just a suggesting of something to explore.

    Good luck.

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    steve.mathys

    08/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Allan, how do you come up with $2,134? I've done my own math and checked websites for mortgage calculators on $398,000 with 4.99% interest, both come up with $2,624 for the monthly mortgage payment. That doesn't include Property taxes and Insurance, which, when scaled up from my own experience, would suggest that the total will be still over $3,000. Somehow it seems like a bait-and-switch: "Hey, I'll lower your payment to $2,100 a month...oh, wait, my mistake, it's $3,100, but stick with me, kid, you're going places."

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    Allan Roth

    08/15/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    You're right on the calculation - I made an error - a 20 year mortgage of $398K has a 2,624 monthly payment. I erred in doing a 30 year amortization.

    I strongly disagree with you on two things, however.

    1) Taxes and insurance will happen irrespective of the mortgage.

    2) This was not a bait and switch. I had no profit motive in giving my reply.

    Thanks for pointing out my error, however.

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    jebb

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    my husband are tossing up the idea of refinancing. our
    original 30yr fixed mortgage totaled 199,168.00 the interest
    rate is 6.375%. each month we pay down the principle by
    with an extra 130 dollars (or more) added into our
    mortgage payment. we have only been in our house for one
    year. because we have been paying down the principle each
    month we are in year 3 of our payment schedule.

    we've called around and our only option (due to little equity
    in our house) is an FHA streamline refinance. lenders have
    offered 4.87% to lower our monthly payment $300 dollars,
    but i'm worried about the closing costs.

    should we just continue to pay down the principle or
    refinance to a lower percentage? not sure if we will save
    money in the long run if we add more money to our loan. is
    their a good formula to figure out if it is worth in in the long
    run?

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    Allan Roth

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    RE: Should You Refinance Your Mortgage? Maybe Not

    Jebb,

    It's hard for me to say without knowing your entire situation. You are correct to want to know the closing costs (you have that right) and you may want to look at how many months it would take to recoup that costs.

    The better analysis is more complex as you have to take into account which parts of the payment is principal vs. interest.

    Good luck.

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Allan Roth

Allan S. Roth is the founder of Wealth Logic, an hourly based financial planning and investment advisory firm that advises clients with portfolios ranging from $10,000 to $50 million. He is mocked on a semi-regular basis by some financial professionals for his hourly fee model and its obvious inability to make him rich.

Roth is also the author of How A Second Grader Beats Wall Street. He teaches behavioral finance at the University of Denver and is an adjunct faculty member at Colorado College.

Allan Roth

Allan Roth has a lot of credentials (CFP, CPA, MBA) and business experience (McKinsey consulting and officers of mega-billion dollar companies). But he insists that said credentials and business experience do not interfere with his ability to keep investing simple.

Roth has worked with many a lawyer over the years, so he feels compelled to note that his columns are not meant as specific investment advice, especially since any such advice would need to take into account such things as each reader’s willingness and need to take risk, which can vary significantly. His columns will specifically avoid such foolishness as predicting the next “hot stock” or what the stock market will do next month. Roth’s goal is never to be confused with Jim Cramer.

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