The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

By John Keefe | Aug 26, 2009 |

Along with yesterday’s forecasts of slower near-term economic growth, the White House and Congressional Budget Office pointed to larger deficits further out, and a burden of government debt of epic proportions, World War II style. According to the markets, though, the problem may be too far away to start worrying about, as interest rates on long-term Treasury bonds continue to fall.

From the CBO summary report:

CBO estimates that, as the economy recovers, if current laws and policies remained in place, the deficit would shrink but remain above $500 billion per year, or more than 3 percent of GDP, throughout the 2010-2019 period. As a result, debt held by the public would continue to grow as a percentage of GDP during that time. That debt, which was as low as 33 percent of GDP in 2001, would reach an estimated 54 percent of GDP this year and grow to 68 percent of GDP by 2019.

We know the reason for the big deficit this year and next - it’s the battle to keep the economy and financial system afloat. This year will see additional spending of about $700 billion, including $133 billion for the TARP, $291 billion to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and $115 billion for the American Revovery and Reinvestment Act. TARP spending is actually $200 billion lower than originally projected, which leads the CBO to estimate the deficit at $80 billion less than early estimates. (I guess they had no trouble finding somewhere else to spend the $120 billion difference.)

But what’s creating the enormous deficits further out? CBO assumes growth in real GDP of 2.8 percent in 2010, 3.8 percent in 2011, and average annual growth of 4.5 percent in 2012 and 2013. Full employment is not expected for several years, so there are additional unemployment insurance costs to bear, as well as the tail end of the stimulus. Nevertheless, deficits are projected at 3.1 percent to 3.4 percent of GDP Between 2013 and 2019, well above the 2.4 percent of GDP average over the past 40 years.

CBO explains:

Total spending is projected to head up again beginning in 2013, with outlays for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security contributing significantly to that growth. Over the 2010-2019 period, under the assumptions for CBO’s baseline, total outlays would average 23.4 percent of GDP-higher than the 20.7 percent of GDP that federal spending has averaged over the past 40 years.

That is, the chronic deficits will be created by programs that are already in place, rather than anything new. In the graph above, the deficit is represented by the gap between the light and dark blue lines. Note that the lines are not converging towards a balanced budget, even as far out as 2019.

This brings us to the debt glacier, where layers are added and frozen in place each year, and removed only with great difficulty. (I realize that due to global warming, few glaciers anywhere are actually growing, but I’m sure you see the image.) Today the public owns U.S. government debt equal to 54 percent of GDP, worth $7.6 trillion. That includes foreign holdings as well, such as those in China and Japan.

At the end of 2010, that ratio of debt jumps to 61 percent, then jumps again and holds at 65 to 66 percent through 2014. And with persistent three percent deficits, the math says it can only go higher.

What’s surprising to me is that the bond markets aren’t reacting to this news. (I believe rates are headed up, and have expressed that point of view through purchasing an inverse Treasury bond ETF, but so far I am underwater.) Notwithstanding these deficit forecasts for the future, and massive Treasury bond sales to fund today’s shortfall, long-term rates are no higher than they were before the financial crisis. I guess the current low inflation, plus plenty of eager buyers outside the U.S. for today’s auctions, outweighs the dark cloud on the horizon.

 
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    MrRosemary

    08/26/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    It's only money. Just print more!

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    willid3

    08/28/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    hm, so we should worry about some thing 10 years out? that may or may not happen? in that same 10 years will spend at least 25 (at todays 2.5 trillion rate, which is growing every year! even in a massive recession) trillion dollars on health care. and have 111 trillion in total economic activity (at 11 trillion per year). and one of the last estimates was worried that the government debt was disappearing so fast it would lead to more grief! and while we are at it, lets look at private debt shall we? it many factors larger YOY, let alone in a decade!

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    drsarah

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Where was this commentary when we began spending uncontrollably at the beginning of the decade: wiping out the surplus with tax rebates and prosecuting an illegal, immoral and contrived war?? The dialogue about spending and deficits is so late in coming it almost seems comical. It's tragic really, but it's old news. American has a love affair with denial, and the Wall Street pandering press is at the core of that psychological problem.

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    kjameshall

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    I'm not worried. We have a military larger than the rest of the world combined. We can just take what we want, if necessary.

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    Herr_Wendel

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    To me it seems that both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of excessive spending without restraint. The difference is on what part of the government is inflating.

    Criticism against free market capitalism is without argument, since the economic ills and this increasing debt is a result of government involvement and special interest lobbying.

    We have yet to experience a truly free market, and I think the inability to acknowledge these fundamental flaws in current economic debates will only keep this country's hypothetical foot on the gas, or in this case the throttle towards the impending glacier.

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    cdmsr

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    The inclusion (for the first time) of the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars rather than funding them off-budget makes the spending increase seem much larger. I favor the Obama Administration going back to the Bush era budgets and recalculating the true spending by adding the wars' costs into those figures (and remember , the Bush neocons told us Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction and total US costs would be $17 billion max). That, plus highlighting the costs of the disastrous tax cuts for the rich (you know, the people Bush called "my base: The haves and have mores") to show the real root of the debt burden we, and our children and grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc., ad nauseum will have to pay.

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    kjameshall

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Who cares about free markets when we can just take what we want???

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    robaire2000

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Maybe some facts can temper the hyperbole and aggression of kjameshall: We might spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined, but we do not have a military larger than the rest of the world combined. The Chinese have a far larger military than anybody else, but even theirs isn't larger than the rest of the world combined. See http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm and http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/active-force.htm.

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    t_in_canberra

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    kjameshall:

    Are you volunteering to join the army and invade other countries? I hope you are one of the first to die.

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    Caroline Clarke

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Consider defining 1st what is in the interests of the people and therefore should be regulated/administed by a government and seperate that which is considered private enterprise.

    Review the administration on inception of government legislation.

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    Brian Rock

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    @ kjameshall

    Yes, because US military involvement has been so successful in sorting out Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm sure taking the rest of the Middle East will be a doddle.

    But thanks for trolling. It was good for a laugh. Now run along and let the grown-ups talk.

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    kjameshall

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Grown ups have a tendency to talk and talk and talk and never get to the point. Most can't even figure out what the point is. Why else would China continue to buy our debt if we didn't have the power to back it up. The rest is just noise. I just have to worry that the powers that be will decide that I have let the cat out of the bag and disappear me.

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    Frank777

    08/31/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    I am sure the Bankers will find some way to pay themselves bonus over or as a consequence of this .... Hang em high I say!!!

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    timetosmellthecoffee

    09/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Does anyone remember Eisenhower's preceint speech about the dangers of the "military industrial complex?"

    Looking at the consolidation of the defense industry, the automobile industry, the airline industry, the food-service industry, the finance industry, the health-care industry, and the high-technology industry...we now have an economy and government that is of the special-interests, by the special-interests, and for the special-interests!

    America's "Health Care Debate" is a joke around the world! We spend twice as much per capita as any other developed nation on health care, for health that is the worst of any nation in the developed world by far.

    Deficits and debt have consequences...ask post-WWI Germany. Not sure we will see hyper-inflation of that magnitude. But does any right thinking person believe we can double and triple the national debt w/out causing massive problems?

    Nothing will change, until we have clean, campaign finance reform, i.e. public financing of all elections. These mooks are driving 99% of Americans, and 99% of American businesses into the ground, for personal profit...period.

    We're all just wasting time, swirling around the drain, until we realize this.

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    Herr_Wendel

    09/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    "cdmsr" Once again one of those individuals who like to pile all of the blame onto one side of the political spectrum. Like I have mentioned, it is both sides of the government that spend and spend and spend, without any real result, and at a greater and greater detriment to our economy.

    Consider the fact that a lot of us grownups have been educated to believe the fallacy that is Keynesian economics (of which many of you will no doubt call me a kook for criticisizing- proving my point of your ignorance). Most people still honestly believe that banks can print more money (or punch numbers in a computer) and there will be no negative results. I must say that "timetosmellthecoffee"'s analysis seems to be rather fitting.

    For all the welfare state supporter's out there, monetary reform should be at the top of your list! After all, these inflationary policies (even in order to further supplement the welfare state) have the strongest impact on the lower classes via inflationary taxes, price increases, currency devalution, and job cuts.

    It seems that Keynesians forget a golden rule of economics, that of Unintended Consequences.

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    robaire2000

    09/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    kjameshall:

    You said, Why else would China continue to buy our debt?

    Well, why does a loan shark continue to loan money to a mark who can't break a gambling habit?

    Think about it. Pretty soon the mark is owned.

    Hundreds of generations ago, Sun Tzu wrote in The Art of War, "Seizing the enemy without fighting is the most skillful."

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    mnotter

    09/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Let the free markets be free. Kick the "special interest" groups out of Washington, vote the idiots (in both parties) out of Washington, and let's get our country back to a competitive innovator. Why is it that government-run health care costs, like Medicare keep going up and items not covered -- like Lasik eye surgery keep getting cheaper and better quality?? Oh, yeah... competition for a customer and a FREE MARKET. Get these socialists out of Medicine, put a cap on Tort damages and encourage our young people to pursure medicine once again -- free of the fear of career ending malpractice suits.

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    robaire2000

    09/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    The cost of health care could be the biggest glacier (or maybe iceberg!) that threatens the fiscal well-being of ordinary citizens. From doctors to hospital corporations to pharmacological cartels to patent-generating genetic research organizations, it's easy see many special interests benefiting from the plight of average citizens.

    The military-industrial complex might be a huge sinkhole for our resources, but it only feeds on fear and anxiety, while the health care industry also feeds on physical miseries.

    Health care needs to focus on results for patients, not profits for providers. One of the things standing in the way is the physician compensation system. Doctors should be salaried (like at the Mayo Clinic) instead of earning a cut on every procedure they can prescribe. Another thing citizens and government should look into is the empire-building that hospital corporations, drugstores, etc, are engaged in. If these things were regulated to be results-oriented, maybe that focus on results for patients could become a reality.

    Maybe a lot of these problems do boil down to how we finance and elect government representatives, as timetosmellthecoffee says. If our representatives are always guided (nice word for controlled) by special interests, the ordinary citizen doesn't have much of a voice in things.

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    clarkm

    09/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Salaried Doctors? I don't think that is the issue regarding the cost of healthcare today. There is already way too much "healthcare" money going to people other than the healthcare providers themselves. You are suggesting that the primary issue with healthcare cost is doctors prescribing unneccessary procedures for profit. While this may be a problem it is likely one of the easiest to address and not likely to have much cost impact. We can debate the dollar value of any particular doctor as an excercise but I am of the opinion that the doctors SHOULD be the highest paid people in the healthcare chain. Not the lawyers, not the executives or sales people of health insurance companies, not the absentee/non-health related owners of "health" clinics or pharmacies and most certainly not healthcare lobbyists.

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    timetosmellthecoffee

    09/04/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Salaried doctors may be very small part of the healthcare solution. The MUCH larger problem is the crumbling "debt" foundation that the powers that be, on both sides of the aisle, have built our economic house upon.

    Those that benefit from the system put in place over the last 50 years are getting smaller and smaller, but are growing more and more powerful. It will get way worse, and it will happen very soon.

    The public campaign finance solution is simple, but will never happen until a "super-majority" of our Congress get it!

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    GWJones

    09/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    Thanks to timetosmellthecoffee and others for pointing out the incompetence and selfishness that was the hallmark of the Bush Administration.

    Sad indeed to see Obama continuing with most of Bush's agenda, albeit with better presentation skills.

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    time111

    11/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Advancing Glacier of U.S. Debt

    The ONLY way for a sustained economic recovery is a REAL
    reduction in the debt. Without it, the debt payment burden will
    eventually increase interest rates and will likely choke the
    recovery.

    time111
    admin: http;//invetrics.com

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John Keefe

John Keefe has worked on Wall Street, as an industry analyst for a big investment bank, and on Main Street, first as a CPA and later as co-founder of a software company. Since 2002 he has been writing on financial topics such as the workings of investment strategies and retirement issues for publications like Institutional Investor, PlanSponsor, and the Financial Times. He lives in Manhattan.

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