Jill Schlesinger

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Goldman to Americans: Take Your Populist Pitchforks and Stick ‘em!

By Jill Schlesinger | Jun 23, 2009 |

The next chapter in the debate over bonuses is starting. A story about 2009 Goldman Sachs bonuses, originally reported in the British daily The Guardian, is getting some attention on this side of the pond.

On News-Talk 1110-WBT/Charlotte, NC this morning, the hosts asked me about the fairness of a TARP recipient doling out millions of dollars to employees and whether Goldman was sticking it to the government.

I reminded listeners that Goldman has not paid out a dime of bonuses yet. After all, we’re not even half-way through the year, so the talk is somewhat premature. Goldman is putting aside half of its first-quarter profit to fund future potential bonuses to its staff. If the firm’s profits evaporate due to market or economic conditions, these dollars may not be paid at all.

As far as sticking it to Uncle Sam, I wouldn’t be surprised if a few Goldman executives are secretly saying that the government and angry taxpayers can take their pitchforks and stick ‘em, but that’s probably a smaller number than you might imagine.

I know that the mere mention of paying out any bonus money is going to make people crazy. But Goldman, along with nine other companies, has repaid TARP funds with interest; they are meeting the government’s liquidity requirements; and are operating within acceptable leverage ratios. Aren’t they allowed to pay their people?

 
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    john.keefe

    06/23/09 | Report as spam

    A few loose ends

    Hi Jill,

    Yes, Goldman has repaid its TARP funds ($10 billion), but there are still a few loose ends to tie up.

    I believe they still are benefiting from FDIC guarantees on some debt they issued, $21 billion I believe, they and have not yet repurchased the warrants on Goldman stock (admittedly, that the Treasury took when they forced the TARP funds that Goldman did not want or need).

    A finance professor who studied the matter estimates that to Goldman warrants are worth more than $1 billion. So Goldman is not entirely off the hook.

    JK MoneyWatch / The Macro View



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    Jill Schlesinger

    06/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Goldman to Americans: Take your Populist Pitchforks and Stick 'em!

    Goldman could pay off the warrants right now, but I understand that the government has not yet determined how they will value warrants that they hold.

    Goldman and any other going concern would be irresponsible not to take advantage of any benefits that the government is extending--that's the job of a for-profit endeavor.

    Finally, are you suggesting that no TARP recipient should be able to pay bonuses?

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    nskinner

    06/24/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Goldman to Americans: Take your Populist Pitchforks and Stick 'em!

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    epcraig

    06/29/09 | Report as spam

    If they're too big to fail...

    Any entity "too big to fail" needs attention from the Department of
    Justice, specifically trust busters.
    If they took TARP funds their books need careful attention.

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    Jill Schlesinger

    07/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: Goldman to Americans: Take your Populist Pitchforks and Stick 'em!

    epcraig--I agree with you...this will get interesting when some of the banks buy the warrants back from the government--how much oversight will Uncle Sam have then? My guess: PLENTY!

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Jill Schlesinger

Jill Schlesinger is the Editor-at-Large for CBS MoneyWatch.com. Prior to the launch of MoneyWatch, she was the Chief Investment Officer for an independent investment advisory firm. In her infancy, she was an options trader on the Commodities Exchange of New York.

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